retroillucid Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Honest question: What specifically is the appeal of a CV flashback system? Honestly, for me, nothing than a colectible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Honest question: What specifically is the appeal of a CV flashback system? Simple. An inexpensive way for nostalgic buyers to experience the ColecoVision again in a low risk, hassle free manner. Not everyone is like us, willing to invest in the real hardware and everything that involves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RelliK111 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) 5-11under, on 10 Oct 2013 - 9:34 PM, said:5-11under, on 10 Oct 2013 - 9:34 PM, said:Honest question: What specifically is the appeal of a CV flashback system? LOL another colecovision system I guess, I just love coleco stuff Also it would be cool to have something my kids could play without me in the room. I'm worried they will break my system if I'm not there and with my Ultimate SD and the system itself its way to much money to trust them. If I can have a CV flashback system that cost $20 or $30 each of my kids could have one in there room and if they break it no big deal. Edited October 11, 2013 by RelliK111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) A Plug N Play CV system for $20 - $30 is impossible, simply because of the liscencing hence why this IOS kickstarter campaign hope to reach $200,000 The best bet would be a CV system (small unit) with a cartridge slot and SD card slot as well The SD would act like the Atarimax SD cartridge Edited October 11, 2013 by retroillucid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RelliK111 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) Last year I got each of my kids a handheld that takes a SD card and has every sega genesis game on it plus you can hook it up to a tv or play it on the go! I paid $40 for it (I can show a picture of the system if someone wants) They really loved it, this year I plan to get the same thing but it has every Nintendo game on it (cost about $20). I would love to have a handheld with a SD card that had every colecovision game on it where you can play it on the go or hook it up to a TV! Anyone want to help me start a kickstarter! Edited October 11, 2013 by RelliK111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Now that you ask me... What I dream of is a retro console with cartridge slots for those systems - Atari2600 - ColecoVision - Intellivision - MSX - Sega SG1000 Hear that? Hyperkin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) Last year I got each of my kids a handheld that takes a SD card and has every sega genesis game on it plus you can hook it up to a tv or play it on the go! I paid $40 for it (I can show a picture of the system if someone wants) They really loved it, this year I plan to get the same thing but it has every Nintendo game on it (cost about $20). I would love to have a handheld with a SD card that had every colecovision game on it where you can play it on the go or hook it up to a TV! Anyone want to help me start a kickstarter! Yeah, but i bet all games were created by Sega Coleco liscenced almost EVERYTHING Even the games Coleco created were liscenced And THIS is the problem with including CV games with something like that Edited October 11, 2013 by retroillucid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RelliK111 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) retroillucid, on 10 Oct 2013 - 10:22 PM, said:retroillucid, on 10 Oct 2013 - 10:22 PM, said: Yeah, but i bet all games were created by Sega Coleco liscenced almost EVERYTHING Even the games Coleco created were liscenced And THIS is the problem with including CV games with something like that Well you wouldn't haft to include games, people could just load roms onto the SD card. Maybe include one default game (a original homebrew to avoid any licensing problems) with the system. People could load the roms on there own free will Edited October 11, 2013 by RelliK111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Well you wouldn't haft to include games, people could just load roms onto the SD card. Maybe include one default game (a original homebrew to avoid any licensing problems) with the system. People could load the roms on there own free will I think the best aproach is what 5-11under is currently doing (new pcb) He could sell the Replacement Motherboard and offer a complete console solution as well Get a new small console mold made and voilà! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIAD Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Last year I got each of my kids a handheld that takes a SD card and has every sega genesis game on it plus you can hook it up to a tv or play it on the go! I paid $40 for it (I can show a picture of the system if someone wants) They really loved it, this year I plan to get the same thing but it has every Nintendo game on it (cost about $20). I would love to have a handheld with a SD card that had every colecovision game on it where you can play it on the go or hook it up to a TV! Anyone want to help me start a kickstarter! I use a Sony PSP-1000 for exactly this. All you have to do is SoftMod the system (which is extremely easy to do... copy the SoftMod to your SD Card and the PSP is modded), copy the Coleco emulator and rom files to the SD Card and away you go. The latest SoftMods offer far better compatibility than the older mods and now even allow for the running of copied PSP games that are in ISO or CSO format. Years ago, a more involved process was required as well as the purchase of a Pandora Battery, but that's not needed anymore with the latest SoftMods. What's great is you have a wealth of emulators available for use on the PSP all the way up to the N64 and most are very well done and PSP-1000s can be had fairly cheaply. Never looked into hooking the PSP up to a TV, but I'm sure it can be done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Never looked into hooking the PSP up to a TV, but I'm sure it can be done. Just need a simple PSP AV cable (really cheap) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I use a Sony PSP-1000 for exactly this. All you have to do is SoftMod the system (which is extremely easy to do... copy the SoftMod to your SD Card and the PSP is modded), copy the Coleco emulator and rom files to the SD Card and away you go. The latest SoftMods offer far better compatibility than the older mods and now even allow for the running of copied PSP games that are in ISO or CSO format. Years ago, a more involved process was required as well as the purchase of a Pandora Battery, but that's not needed anymore with the latest SoftMods. What's great is you have a wealth of emulators available for use on the PSP all the way up to the N64 and most are very well done and PSP-1000s can be had fairly cheaply. Never looked into hooking the PSP up to a TV, but I'm sure it can be done. Humm..... Should do that with my PSP , and since I've a PSP store display, maybe I could sell it as a ColecoVision Store Display 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+nanochess Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Honest question: What specifically is the appeal of a CV flashback system? I think is the small tiny size and bright colors, it makes cute the Atari Flashback systems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+5-11under Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I think the best aproach is what 5-11under is currently doing (new pcb) He could sell the Replacement Motherboard and offer a complete console solution as well Get a new small console mold made and voilà! I do plan on future revisions/variations/expansions of the CV PCB that could enable some of the features of a flashback unit. The only problem is that I doubt they'll ever hit the price point that the masses are looking for. Back on track with the thread maybe... when I first saw the Kickstarter page (before seeing this thread), I thought it was going to be a physical console. I was kind of disappointed that it was an app. I'm sure it will/would be good and all, but for me, if I'm using a tablet (Android), I stick with games that are free and more conducive to the touch (and tilt) screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberKFox Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) Here's the pitch video I know it's a bit much but we're dealing with a console that's fading into obscurity (ask the gamers of today and they will assurantly tell you that they never heard of such a console) and it's up to all us to 1. make sure it gets funded to keep the legacy alive 2. exceed it by reaching all of it's stretch goals (android, 3DS, etc.)Keep in mind while the Vectrex library is in the public domain, This time we're dealing with a console that has library that's laden with licensed goods and by exceeding the Kickstarter in hopefully Mighty No. 9 purportions - we may see more licensed games coming to it All we need to do is show support and pledge with all our might instead of bicker Edited October 11, 2013 by CyberKFox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+5-11under Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I know it's a bit much but we're dealing with a console that's fading into obscurity (ask the gamers of today and they will assurantly tell you that they never heard of such a console) and it's up to all us to 1. make sure it gets funded to keep the legacy alive 2. exceed it by reaching all of it's stretch goals (android, 3DS, etc.) Keep in mind while the Vectrex library is in the public domain, This time we're dealing with a console that has library that's laden with licensed goods and by exceeding the Kickstarter in hopefully Mighty No. 9 purportions - we may see more licensed games coming to it All we need to do is show support and pledge with all our might instead of bicker I haven't noticed any bickering, at least not in the "arguing" sense of the word. Discussion and opinion, for sure! If the app project doesn't get funded, don't worry... the legacy of the ColecoVision doesn't rely on just this single project. It's being kept alive in many other ways: console refurbishing, new games, converted games, flash carts, new controllers, an expansion module, a book hopefully, and I'm sure many more things in the future. That's pretty good for a system that lives in the shadows of the 8 bit giants Atari and Nintendo. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberKFox Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Rantmedia has issued an explaination for the $250,000 fund goalhttp://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rantmediagames/colecovision/posts/625699 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 A Plug N Play CV system for $20 - $30 is impossible, simply because of the liscencing hence why this IOS kickstarter campaign hope to reach $200,000 The best bet would be a CV system (small unit) with a cartridge slot and SD card slot as well The SD would act like the Atarimax SD cartridge That's not impossible, actually. While I'm sure the retail price of such a system will be $50, as is usually the case with these systems, if you catch a sale, it will be as low as $30. There will never be a cartridge slot, but an SD slot for a future version is a real possibility if the first one does well. Announcements will happen soon about apps and TV game consoles from other companies. Hopefully it's very soon. With that said, I really like the Vectrex iOS app and there *may* be room for more than one app, but it really is a rather high goal they're going after on Kickstarter. Regardless, if it doesn't make its goal, rest assured that's not the only ColecoVision product coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 The problem I see with this project is we don't even know what will happen in the next years with Ipad technology I mean, what would it be in , let's say 5 years? That's why I would prefer a Plug n Play or a completely new Colecovision Sure, it's always great to see some new CV stuff, don't get me wrong I truly admire the efforts that goes behind this project But I do think they ask A WAY TOO MUCH! They explained why they asked $250,000 , .... From what I understand, the pledge is high because they wanted everybody to have a little something when they invested But, why no lower the amount they ask and simply don't give goodies with Anyway, I wish them the best but as for me, I'm not going to invest into this My money goes into 5-11under's new CV motherboard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 That's not impossible, actually. While I'm sure the retail price of such a system will be $50, as is usually the case with these systems, if you catch a sale, it will be as low as $30. There will never be a cartridge slot, but an SD slot for a future version is a real possibility if the first one does well. Announcements will happen soon about apps and TV game consoles from other companies. Hopefully it's very soon. With that said, I really like the Vectrex iOS app and there *may* be room for more than one app, but it really is a rather high goal they're going after on Kickstarter. Regardless, if it doesn't make its goal, rest assured that's not the only ColecoVision product coming. It looks like you know something we don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelboy Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Anyway, I wish them the best but as for me, I'm not going to invest into this My money goes into 5-11under's new CV motherboard Same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I think those of us on this board are a special class of consumer. I think most of us try to support everything to advance our collective classic gaming interests. Certainly most of us are into the real hardware and all that involves, but it's important to consider the mass of people who are nostalgic but don't want to invest in the real thing. There's a definite halo effect from an influx of mainstream consumers that I think would benefit our particular interests in some manner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I think those of us on this board are a special class of consumer. I think most of us try to support everything to advance our collective classic gaming interests. Certainly most of us are into the real hardware and all that involves, but it's important to consider the mass of people who are nostalgic but don't want to invest in the real thing. There's a definite halo effect from an influx of mainstream consumers that I think would benefit our particular interests in some manner. I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberKFox Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) I think those of us on this board are a special class of consumer. I think most of us try to support everything to advance our collective classic gaming interests. Certainly most of us are into the real hardware and all that involves, but it's important to consider the mass of people who are nostalgic but don't want to invest in the real thing. There's a definite halo effect from an influx of mainstream consumers that I think would benefit our particular interests in some manner. But by questioning a project with high potential, It's pretty contradictional to the interest of this board whom are a "special class of consumer" They stated that if the kickstarter exceeds it's goal (via high interest) it will go to other platforms They hinted to me that the 3DS is a possibility for this It would be best if you ask them your concerns, I assure you they did listen to our complaints about the goal - thus why they DID issue the explaination earlier today and by punishing the project by letting it suffer ala River City Ransom: Underground (during the pledge runs of both Mighty No. 9 and Shantae: Half Genie Hero respectively) [i.e.: Ignoring it and hope it fails or never reach any of it's stretch goals on time] it also contradicts the passion of retro gaming this board and those outside of it are suppose to uphold From the pitch video, They have shown passion for this project This should show that they are not puliing off a Neo Geo X Gold here (i.e. stealing an existing emu and use it as a basis and slap tech and casing on it) but a compilation that's truly faithful to the legacy of Colecovision Edited October 11, 2013 by CyberKFox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 and by punishing the project by letting suffer ala River City Ransom: Underground (during the pledge runs of both Mighty No. 9 and Shantae: Half Genie Hero respectively) [i.e.: Ignoring it and hope it fails or never reach any of it's stretch goals on time] it also contradicts the passion of retro gaming this board and those outside of it of which we are suppose to uphold From the pitch video, They have shown passion for this project Contradicts the passion or retro gaming on this board!? Why? Because some peoples did not find appealing the idea of a ColecoVision EMULATOR for the IOS They said, it's not a simple emulator, really!? What else is different beside having a TV and a CV system pictured It's a beautifull emulator, but it's still emulator I say, forget about the IOS emulator and release the thing as a physical format for 3DS/PsVita and next gen consoles and I WILL INVEST SOME GREAT MONEY And don't ask me to funds the project with, "if we ever get XXX amount of cash, then physical release willl happen" Do it the other way! ask people to funds the physical release and you get XXX amount of cash, you would do a IOS release My two cents 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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