Pixelboy Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 It's easy, the Retropie front end is attractive, and installation of emulators is all scripted. ROM installation is either via USB or over FTP, also easy. Way easier than finding a NES Classic, too. https://retropie.org.uk/ Eeeeh... No. I just had a quick look at the Pi 3, and my main problem with it is that the HDMI output, power jack and audio jack are located on the side, relatively to the USB ports. It may be compact and elegant for many fun projects, and I've seen some nice cases for it, but I would like the USB ports to be on the front side, and all the other connectors on the back. That, for me, would make it more like a games console. That's one thing the NES Mini got right. I can understand that many people don't mind the position of the connectors, but it's a deal-breaker for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE146 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 It's easy, the Retropie front end is attractive, and installation of emulators is all scripted. ROM installation is either via USB or over FTP, also easy. Way easier than finding a NES Classic, too. https://retropie.org.uk/ Let me just say I did NOT have an easy time with the Retropie.. But yeah we eventually got it set up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgeld Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Eeeeh... No. I just had a quick look at the Pi 3, and my main problem with it is that the HDMI output, power jack and audio jack are located on the side, relatively to the USB ports. It may be compact and elegant for many fun projects, and I've seen some nice cases for it, but I would like the USB ports to be on the front side, and all the other connectors on the back. That, for me, would make it more like a games console. That's one thing the NES Mini got right. I can understand that many people don't mind the position of the connectors, but it's a deal-breaker for me. for mine I ordered cables that end up on panel mount usb and hdmi connectors so I can put them wherever I want within a 30 cm radius of the pi connector took forever to get here (thanks ebay + china) but it was like 4 extra bucks heh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsdee Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) I made myself a NES Mini and FC Mini folders on my NES SD card, so I can emulate the experience of using the curated game list. There is something to be said for this kind of "curated gaming", I've done the same before with old Nintendo catalogs that I had since I was a kid. Kind of amazing to just choose from the catalog and bring it up on your TV. http://1up-games.com/scans/viewer.html?id=11&page=5 Edited November 24, 2016 by Newsdee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepdreamin Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 What's input lag like for retropie on say a r3? I imagine it varies per emulator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Eeeeh... No. I just had a quick look at the Pi 3, and my main problem with it is that the HDMI output, power jack and audio jack are located on the side, relatively to the USB ports. It may be compact and elegant for many fun projects, and I've seen some nice cases for it, but I would like the USB ports to be on the front side, and all the other connectors on the back. That, for me, would make it more like a games console. That's one thing the NES Mini got right. I can understand that many people don't mind the position of the connectors, but it's a deal-breaker for me. <sarcasm> I guess it pains you to no end to go anywhere near a VCS 2600, Colecovision or Intellivision. </sarcasm> The NES mini has the controller ports on the front because the original NES had them there, check the Famicom mini with hardwired connections at the back like the original Famicom had ... more on other differences among the two here https://kyosgamemart.wordpress.com/2016/10/04/which-one-nes-mini-or-famicom-mini/ . <self-conceit> I am aware that since the NES each console aside the Famicom, SG1000, C64GS, Amiga CD32 and Atari XEGS has them [or it in the case of PCE/TG16, CDI, and 3DO] on the front where it's easier to connect and disconnect. </self-conceit> I hear you when you say you like the controller ports on the front but a deal breaker they should be not, but to each his own. <killjoy> The NES Mini is in the same class as an RPi2 but with a potential default 30% clock increase (the R16 SoC (A7 cores) runs up to 1.2Ghz unsure how fast it runs on the mini let's just assume for now it's that fast, the RPi2 (same A7 cores) stock runs at 900Mhz but it lets you orverclock easily), the RPi3 (A53 cores) runs stock at 1.2GHz as well but because of a more efficient implementation it also outperforms the A7 cores by 30% clock by clock so it is in principle more capable of emulating more demanding systems than the NES Mini is (this only matters if they hack it to run other emulators). </killjoy> If all that you are after is a cute NES looking emu package then the mini is the real choice, no question about it, if you want to emulate a whole set of retro-goodness then RPi3 is a very viable option (with integrated WiFi, support for XB360 and PS3 controllers etc....). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Its back on toyrus website. http://www.toysrus.com/buy/wii/nintendo-entertainment-system-nes-classic-edition-clvsnesa-106283536 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Let me just say I did NOT have an easy time with the Retropie.. But yeah we eventually got it set up. Was this a long time ago? Because it's super easy now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrBlackCat Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 With getting a Pi system set up being "easy" (I have almost no knowledge of these systems), why doesn't someone sell them to people who don't have the time or motivation to actually do it? (or do they already?) Nothing is easy without a "concept" in place... theory of operation etc. Running the Nintendo Classic or a Flashback is easy. No PC, no assembly, no web sites to go to etc. I think in this day and age, anything requiring 30 minutes or more of new learning is outside the scope of $50 for most people... maybe not for the majority on a Retro Forum however. This is entirely based on my opinion and observation. I started working/programming at the chip/processor level with hardware in the 80's with Commodore computers, so I am certain the Pi machines would be far more simple than that, as well as something I could handle in a reasonable amount of time, but based on ignorance of what they are and how they work, I seriously doubt "easy" relative to most people is likely or fair. MrBlackCat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgeld Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 one reason might be that retropie prohibits "commercial" use, so a one off project may be fine but to sell already setup systems gets in to the no no land (not that is stops people) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Be nice to see a simple wire harness with power supply and SD card in a box with an R-Pi. All ready set up and ready to roll. You put a d'l image on the SD card and turn it on. Up comes a menu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 That's one thing the NES Mini got right. I can understand that many people don't mind the position of the connectors, but it's a deal-breaker for me. How so? They can be relocated with extension cables to any other position. This issue should make you give up all the advantages of this little computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Be nice to see a simple wire harness with power supply and SD card in a box with an R-Pi. All ready set up and ready to roll. You put a d'l image on the SD card and turn it on. Up comes a menu. I wish nintendo thought like that. A mini VC would of been nice. Even if it was 5 dollars a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 I even tried chat no luck. Info at 12:56, Nov 24: Thank you for choosing to chat with us. An agent will be with you shortly. Info at 12:56, Nov 24: You are now chatting with Daniel A.. Daniel A. at 12:57, Nov 24: Hi ***** ***** - thanks for chatting with the 'R Us Family! My name is Daniel A.. I'm your 'R Us Web Specialist. How can I help you today? ***** ***** at 12:57, Nov 24: Just wondering when more of the NES Classic Edition will be back in stock? Daniel A. at 12:58, Nov 24: I will be happy to be of assistance, *****. We have no information on when out of stock items will be in stock, but we do process new inventory weekly. ***** ***** at 12:58, Nov 24: Ok, thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrBlackCat Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) one reason might be that retropie prohibits "commercial" use, so a one off project may be fine but to sell already setup systems gets in to the no no land (not that is stops people) I did consider that, but disregarded it for exactly the reason you mention... on a low volume eBay scale, this would not likely be noticed. I don't know if their is a right or wrong, but in the 90's you couldn't sell shareware either, but many many commercial companies did under the pretense of selling it only for the cost of the media and packaging. Unless their was intentional deception, I would not have issue with this. Besides, if they kept the "royalty" simple, it could be done on a small commercial scale. We used to buy our Windows 98 licenses in bulk from Microsoft, maybe a similar arrangement could be made. I wouldn't see harm in this. MrBlackCat Edited November 24, 2016 by MrBlackCat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 The terms and conditions of the RetroPie software package specifically prohibit bundling it with something for sale. At first boot, they pop up a screen saying this software is not for sale and if you bought it in a bundle, that's bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgeld Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) The terms and conditions of the RetroPie software package specifically prohibit bundling it with something for sale. At first boot, they pop up a screen saying this software is not for sale and if you bought it in a bundle, that's bad. The legal speak is a bit confusing The image we provide is Raspbian Lite with RetroPie pre-installed. Much of the software included in the RetroPie image have non-commercial licences. Because of this selling a pre-installed RetroPie image is not legal – this includes “giving away” a pre-installed RetroPie with your commercial product. Including copyrighted games with RetroPie is also not allowed. ok non commercial licences, that's pretty clear, your not going to make a commercial product with this software in it, including roms is a "no shit" item, but whats confusing to me is Because of this selling a pre-installed RetroPie image is not legal – this includes “giving away” a pre-installed RetroPie with your commercial product well like I have 2 projects coming up with the intent to sell, but the projects are not commercial products, they are hand made one of a kind items. I am sure the clarification is in some 900 page GNU document and this is all condensed down to NO! Heck if they want to be sticklers about it ill preconfigure the whole thing into an image file and plop it on a DVD, there problem solved then its not "pre installed" is it I hate open source licences in situations like this, and good luck getting the correct answer out of anyone outside maybe the EFF, cause its more complicated than constitutional law Edited November 24, 2016 by Osgeld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Seems clear enough to me. It's all scripted and easy, I honestly don't understand what anyone could be afraid of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE146 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) Was this a long time ago? Because it's super easy now. No just this past month or two. I will say the main issue was primarily getting sound out via HDMI, and configuration of the joystick controllers (we made a barcade). It seemed that no matter how we edited the config or modified via the menus, we'd still have no sound, and our buttons would be totally off (up would be a button for example). But at the end of the day we ended up snagging a premade config for our gear and all is good now. The kids play the thing non-stop.. (mostly Metal Slug in Mame though ) Edited November 25, 2016 by NE146 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawesomeBurf Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Seems clear enough to me. It's all scripted and easy, I honestly don't understand what anyone could be afraid of. Yup, and if you're still confused, there are plenty of helpful Youtube videos out there. That's how I set mine up back in February, and it has provided me with hundreds of hours of enjoyment already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 No just this past month or two. I will say the main issue was primarily getting sound out via HDMI, and configuration of the joystick controllers (we made a barcade). It seemed that no matter how we edited the config or modified via the menus, we'd still have no sound, and our buttons would be totally off (up would be a button for example). But at the end of the day we ended up snagging a premade config for our gear and all is good now. The kids play the thing non-stop.. (mostly Metal Slug in Mame though ) Setting up MAME is a PITA. You specifically need the MAME v.35b7 set, or something like that. Then you need to tweak some config files if you wanna point to the audio samples for games that use them. And unless you install a Rasbian frontend, you'll be using a command line... Speaking of which, I bought a Raspbi Pi 3 recently and need to rebuild my Porta Pi MAME cab. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+GoldLeader Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 I'd definitely say "easy" is a frame of reference. I'm not an illiterate moron, but not a computer whiz, and I've been stumped many times in the past by these things my friends would call "easy",...Then again if there exists a basic step by step guide or a good YouTube video that helps these days... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE146 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) Yeah.. sorry I just snipped this pic out of an existing larger one (to take out the faces of course). But just to show you what I'm talking about. The end result is way cool of course.. it's Retro Pi with most every game etc. in a handy-dandy barcade. But again I will say it.. it was hard for us to get it configured man. And I think I'm relatively good techwise. And let me just throw this in too.. when it comes to console games (NES/GENNY/SNES/TG16), there's no beating the original consoles with a flashcart on a CRT TV. Also, just saying. Edited November 25, 2016 by NE146 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Working with R-Pi and fine tuning it all is a little tedious at times. And a struggle if you don't know Linux. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Just found out today argos has a few left in stock. http://www.argos.co.uk/product/5762020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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