leech Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Completely uninterested. Sorry. For modern gaming I have a core-i7 with NVidia GTX1080, and a PS4 with VR headset. For my retro gaming I have every original Atari console made from touch me, through stunt cycle, through Jag + CD. What, no HTC Vive in there? SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! (sorry, just finished a Game of Thrones marathon) Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3808117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 More promotional stuff... https://www.engadget.com/2017/07/17/ataribox-will-come-in-two-suitably-retro-editions/#/ - Michael Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3808124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Note that these are all renderings. I can draw stuff in Blender, too! Sorry, I'm just a bit tired of the decades long ass-raping of Atari's brand. -Thom 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3808270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Someone needs to take these renders and put a cartridge slot and toggles on it. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3808279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Like it or not. Believe it or not. The most compatible and usable modern-day solution for classic VCS gaming is Emulator Stella. Plays everything I ever threw at it, and more. All other implementations, Flashbacks, 1 trick wonder FPGA projects, RetroN 77, kickstarter hybrid emulation projects, and more.. simply fall short. There's always something getting in the way that shoots those down, compatibility, availability, controller connectivity, video out capability, reliability.. Something. And yet again, I rhetorically ask for sake of discussion (full well knowing the multiple answers myself), why can't they simply release a freshly made exact clone of the VCS? Switches, cartridge slot, real VCS circuitry. Same size, same layout, same 3 chips, same RF video out + 1 additional discrete connector on the back, HDMI. 1 change and nothing else more! VCS was and is the most iconic representation of the original Atari. It's what the market wants. If I had the motivation to do so it is what I would design. Or recreate. Is there some sort magic voodoo in there they don't understand? 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3808296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Hmm, so going from the render/picture, it looks like that (left to right) the ports on the back are USB, USB-C(?), USB, Power(?), Ethernet, USB, HDMI, USB, Micro SD card. So that's 4xUSB ports, HDMI, ethernet, MicroSD and maybe power or maybe Wifi antennae? USB-C (if that's what it is) could be the power. So for 'Modern' games, it'd have to have an internal hard drive, and no physical media, unless of course you'll be able to buy box copies with a microSD card in it (which is kind of brilliant actually, since you can get rather large ones these days, but then they still probably have too high of a failure rate for most people to be comfortable with. This means some sort of digital game store, which of course is what some rumors were pointing to anyhow. Guess they can make these cheaper, since they won't have to bother with a Bluray license, and some of the other things you get with a PS4/Xbox One. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3808308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+S.D.W. Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Or the SD card slot is used for storage like a phone or a tablet.... Personally I think those designs look pretty meh. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3808309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 It would be nice if they would contact Avery about licensing Altirra. Practically speaking, you'd want a keyboard to go with it. Unless, Altirra would be a side extra accessory type of thing.. I somehow don't quite see it fitting into this product. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3808310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 If it ran Kodi it would be a BIG plus! 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3808329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allas Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Hello everybody, I've followed the news since months ago. Now I'm happy to see at least the new console will bring internet access. So I guess the new ataribox console should have: - An OS Linux - Bluetooth for keyboard and mouse connection. - Prebuilt with 2600, 5200, 7800, Lynx, Jaguar, XL, XE, ST, TT, Falcon and arcade emulators - A new Store with classic titles for all the models. Every game ROM could be costly as cheap as $1 (old and homebrew games), protected to only be distributed on the store. No external ROM access to protect the business. Thousands of titles could be available since the first day, - As Linux as the main OS, the store could support pre-approved Android titles that work fine with Ataribox. - A Cheap price. At least for me, that would be a success. And is possible at all. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3808506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariNerd Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Like it or not. Believe it or not. The most compatible and usable modern-day solution for classic VCS gaming is Emulator Stella. Plays everything I ever threw at it, and more. All other implementations, Flashbacks, 1 trick wonder FPGA projects, RetroN 77, kickstarter hybrid emulation projects, and more.. simply fall short. There's always something getting in the way that shoots those down, compatibility, availability, controller connectivity, video out capability, reliability.. Something. And yet again, I rhetorically ask for sake of discussion (full well knowing the multiple answers myself), why can't they simply release a freshly made exact clone of the VCS? Switches, cartridge slot, real VCS circuitry. Same size, same layout, same 3 chips, same RF video out + 1 additional discrete connector on the back, HDMI. 1 change and nothing else more! VCS was and is the most iconic representation of the original Atari. It's what the market wants. If I had the motivation to do so it is what I would design. Or recreate. Is there some sort magic voodoo in there they don't understand? Somewhere in this long thread (or maybe one of the other AtariBox or Retron77 threads) , in some linked interview on their strategy for the brand, it was mentioned that one of the things they had was a clone or copy (using hardware or emulation?) of the 2600, along with those wrist-bands, etc. The interview was from a couple years or so, ago and strategies change, so, eh.... I'm too old and lazy to look for it at the moment. I'll wander through, later and see if I spot it. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3808520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snicklin Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I hope it comes with a digital joystick. (Must be digital, none of this analogue nonsense) 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3808806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daschewie Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Looks like the atari box borrowed some design from the master system: 6 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3809682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I thought that too. I know this is an Atari forum, so probably the wrong place to ask, but who would you really want to come back with hardware more, Atari or Sega? I actually went Atari, Atari, Sega, Sega, Atari, PC. (2600, 800XL, SMS, Genesis, MegaSTe, Generic beige box) Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3809687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I wonder why the SMS had both cartridges and cards? Was there any technological advantage afforded by one of the solutions over the other? Or was it the classical make-work-because-cool thing again? I tend to think the latter. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3809696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 If I recall correctly, the card based ones were usually like 'eco' games. Cheap little things, they had less storage space, cheaper to make, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Card 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3809745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 PC Engine and Turbografx used cards exclusively, right up until those failure prone CD modules came out, complete with that ugly rotten yellow gear... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3809876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
icemanxp300 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 - A new Store with classic titles for all the models. Every game ROM could be costly as cheap as $1 (old and homebrew games), protected to only be distributed on the store. No external ROM access to protect the business. Thousands of titles could be available since the first day, Now we all know this isn't going to happen. Sure they could skip an sd slot but it doesn't change the fact that any USB port and such can and will be used to exploit this. They are better off just focusing on selling this item and NOT worrying about selling 30 year old roms that will likely hit a very niche market. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3809995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allas Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I saw the SD as an extension Hard disk. A user signed ROM installed there, it can't be copied on other machines if you are not the same user. That's the principle of a secure store.I believe it could be an interesting niche because Atari has several platforms, and even as someone noticed before, it could add compatibility for SEGA games (SMS. Genesis, Saturn, Dreamscast) I'm sure most of the Atari fans, haven't get the chance to explore another Atari systems besides the main. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3810258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snicklin Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Living in a dream but I hope it has quadruple pokey in it. Then when it is out of date, we have a new supply of Pokey chips! 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3810337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Living in a dream but I hope it has quadruple pokey in it. Then when it is out of date, we have a new supply of Pokey chips! Modern CPU could emulate dozens of Pokeys or even hundreds without breaking a sweat. Now I'd like to see a brand new console full of cockroach sized DIP chips. That would make my day! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3810516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 My old Pentium II 266 from the dot-com era handled Gyruss arcade just fine. That'd be: 2x Z80 1x 6809 1x i8039 5x AY-3-8910 1 DAC .. with cycles to spare. So yes indeedee, a modern CPU could handle millions of Pokeys. Maybe even billions.. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3810542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
krupkaj Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) It seems the www.ataribox.com website is gone. It gives me just "This Account has been suspended." Edited August 16, 2017 by krupkaj 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3828587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) Hmm...well if it ever materializes or not, I doubt I'll be interested. I'm not interested in any console that I can't hold the games for it in my hand. Streaming sucks for longevity, if the streaming site goes under, no back-up any more for a bricked console to replace with another and re-download your games, etc. I used to use Xbox live game downloads with Gold all the time, but I've started buying used copies of the games as I am discovering many of the games will not function fully if I am not connected to Xbox live, etc. So I don't buy download-able games anymore except for the monthly Xbox Gold "freebies." And the days when consoles no longer have physical copies of games for sale is the day I stop buying new consoles and just stick with my classics. Once Microsoft stops supporting my 360 on Xbox Live, many of the games will no longer function and be worthless. Just like some games I have for my Dreamcast and the old Seganet! From the looks of this "Ataribox," it's exactly the type of console I fear and loath. Consoles without physical games will be essentially "bricks" when the day comes that they are no longer supported. And in the meantime you are stuck paying monthly fees, which in reality, when it comes right down to the truth of it, no matter what "they" call it, you are merely leasing a system and when that stops, from you canceling, or they no longer supporting, you've got a nice door-stop. Edited August 16, 2017 by Gunstar 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3828601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 It seems the www.ataribox.com website is gone. It gives me just "This Account has been suspended." Cool, the plot thickens... a publicity stunt? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/266460-not-sure-where-to-drop-this-ataribox/page/11/#findComment-3828605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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