Bill Loguidice Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Have any of the homebrews that use flash based chips in them been tested? I can think of Mini-Planets and Escape 2042 right off hand although my recent YM2017 cart appeas to use flash chips in it to store the program rom. Just curious how or why these particular carts if they don't work, would be so much different from a standard masked rom or eprom cart since a stock Genesis can't tell the difference either? I don't have any of those for testing, I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE146 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 What's the quicky tech explanation of why flashcarts can't work on it? I don't mind that fact at all, but simply curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derFunkenstein Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 The system dumps the ROM to local storage. The SD card in a flashcart like the Everdrive is invisible to the system. It would probably just dump the flash cart's OS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 The system dumps the ROM to local storage. The SD card in a flashcart like the Everdrive is invisible to the system. It would probably just dump the flash cart's OS. So given that...homebrews should work then even if they are programmed onto flash reusable carts since there isn't a menu or OS that I'm aware of. Just pop in the game and it loads up like any other Genesis/MD game. Wonder if a reviewer who gets a newer model or might still have one of the other ones can test some of that out. In the end it doesn't matter, but I would think that if they really want to market this console as a replacement for aging systems or as a means for new people to get into the Genesis, then the chances are there that someone picking up one of these that might now know, could pick up some homebrew releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derFunkenstein Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 So given that...homebrews should work then even if they are programmed onto flash reusable carts since there isn't a menu or OS that I'm aware of. Just pop in the game and it loads up like any other Genesis/MD game. Wonder if a reviewer who gets a newer model or might still have one of the other ones can test some of that out. In the end it doesn't matter, but I would think that if they really want to market this console as a replacement for aging systems or as a means for new people to get into the Genesis, then the chances are there that someone picking up one of these that might now know, could pick up some homebrew releases. I would think so, but I don't have any to test with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE146 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 The system dumps the ROM to local storage. The SD card in a flashcart like the Everdrive is invisible to the system. It would probably just dump the flash cart's OS. ah k.. duh. Sometimes I forget about emulation boxes vs. hardware recreations. Brain gets lazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 So given that...homebrews should work then even if they are programmed onto flash reusable carts since there isn't a menu or OS that I'm aware of. Just pop in the game and it loads up like any other Genesis/MD game. Wonder if a reviewer who gets a newer model or might still have one of the other ones can test some of that out. In the end it doesn't matter, but I would think that if they really want to market this console as a replacement for aging systems or as a means for new people to get into the Genesis, then the chances are there that someone picking up one of these that might now know, could pick up some homebrew releases. It depends. I didn't have any luck running Pier Solar or a few other homebrews on it that typically have problems with anything other than a Genesis 1 or 2. I'm not sure what the x factor is there, but it's probably why even certain original games don't work on the Genesis 3 or Sega Nomad either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 It depends. I didn't have any luck running Pier Solar or a few other homebrews on it that typically have problems with anything other than a Genesis 1 or 2. I'm not sure what the x factor is there, but it's probably why even certain original games don't work on the Genesis 3 or Sega Nomad either. Bill I belive Pier Solar and some of the other games you are talking about have more to do with the size of the program data on the carts. Pier Solar is currently (Until Paprium is eventually released), the largest physical game on Genesis in terms of data in the cart for the game contents. But something like Mini-Planets or Escape 2042 are within the 4mb limit that many Genesis games released at. Again, if you aren't aware it would not be such a happy time to pick up one of these and a few games along with a new homebrew or two, only to find out the homebrews are a no go on the console. When these are released, I will hit up my local retro game store around the corner and test the games on one at that time. I'm totally curious about it obviously LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philyso Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) More than its large ROM size, Pier Solar is protected against dumping: from what I remember (there was a website explaining the technical details but it got deleted), you need to do specific timed steps to get the full 8MB ROM dump. And even with full dump, they would need to emulate the special mapper and save feature it uses to get the game starting and running. That's why it took so much time to get it dumped and emulated, and only in a few recent emulators. Edited September 15, 2017 by philyso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derFunkenstein Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Any idea when we'll start seeing updated reviews for the supposedly "fixed" consoles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Any idea when we'll start seeing updated reviews for the supposedly "fixed" consoles? Oh, it's definitely fixed and improved. I believe the review embargo is still scheduled to be lifted on October 13th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derFunkenstein Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Oh, it's definitely fixed and improved. I believe the review embargo is still scheduled to be lifted on October 13th. Thanks Bill. I believe you that it's improved, but I'll feel better when reviews are adjusted to match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Thanks Bill. I believe you that it's improved, but I'll feel better when reviews are adjusted to match. Although I'm always as honest as possible about when something is good, bad, or just plain broken, even when working on the actual product, I absolutely agree you should get multiple points of view with something like this. It really sucked that the first batch of review units went out like that. Hopefully most reviewers can go into this revised batch with an open mind despite that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Sorry for posting in multiple topics, but... there are multiple topics. Here's the final game list for the Sega Genesis Flashback: http://armchairarcade.com/perspectives/2017/09/28/sega-genesis-flashback-2017-official-game-list-revised/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derFunkenstein Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) I like that they removed some of the shovelware, but it's a disappointment to see Sonic 3 and the lock-on games not on the list. Sonic and Knuckles and Sonic 2 are there, but Knuckles in Sonic 2 isn't, even. Looking forward to the new reviews. I really need to figure out how to get low-latency HDMI emulation on my TV before all the ancient stuff in my house goes kaput. This is really close to everything I really play, except for Street Fighter (an understandable omission) and the aforementioned Sonic exclusions. Edited September 28, 2017 by derFunkenstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 This is really close to everything I really play, except for Street Fighter (an understandable omission) and the aforementioned Sonic exclusions. Also, it will run cartridges (with save, suspend, rewind functions) so you can bring your own games, too. Seems like a good list to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derFunkenstein Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Also, it will run cartridges (with save, suspend, rewind functions) so you can bring your own games, too. Seems like a good list to me. True but right now I'm playing off an Everdrive, which won't work with this. It's fine, just gotta think about buying carts I'll want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 avast! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derFunkenstein Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) I don't feel badly about it on out-of-print cartridges. Like I would never pirate Pier Solar or any of the games coming out soon. But if the last production run on your game ended 20 years ago? I'm not concerned. Plus I have paid for every Genesis emulated game you can buy on Steam. Sega got some money out of me. I'm aware that my opinion is not legal advice. Don't cite me as a reference if you get arrested. LOL Edited September 28, 2017 by derFunkenstein 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derFunkenstein Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Pre-orders are live on Gamestop and Best Buy now. I haven't been paying much attention so maybe it's been like that for a couple days. They both say it comes out on November 10. In related news my CRT died. Fortunately my other smaller TV has composite and S-Video input but unfortunately that TV is an LCD and I already know my Genesis looks like garbage on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 $69.99, November 10th. I think I will go to retail to get one of these, because unlike a certain other 16-bit remake system, this one should be easy to find. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaNZ Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) Man we get ripped off here in NZ. https://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/sega-mega-drive-flashback-classic-console/26872353 Pre-order for $189? I don't think so. Import time! Edited October 5, 2017 by MantaNZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 That's like $126 in US dollars. It's probably loaded with VAT that goes into services like universal health care, gun control, and sheep husbandry. :-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaNZ Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 That's like $126 in US dollars. It's probably loaded with VAT that goes into services like universal health care, gun control, and sheep husbandry. :-) On the bright side I won't die of the flu, get shot during a fender bender or ever be lonely. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derFunkenstein Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 $69.99, November 10th. I think I will go to retail to get one of these, because unlike a certain other 16-bit remake system, this one should be easy to find. They'll be easy to find but who actually goes to a store anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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