Kyle22 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Please share the software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 So after a few iterations and test fitting printouts I came up with this, it should allow me to solder a 4 pin header to the UNO which connects to the v2 board, and a single wire from the board to the A5 pin. The SIO cable can attach with a pin header connector. Screenshot 2019-02-01 at 11.24.50.jpgScreenshot 2019-02-01 at 11.26.05.jpg V2 now ordered from OSHPark, the cost went up to $5.20 because the board is slightly bigger to allow room for the crystal on the UNO board. See you all in 10 days! 2a8a102ebedf2e7251ea6497b69b1717.pngd3aaa6dc3592658509ba98a8156c4b71.png An alternative layout would be to have the 4-pin header and A5 connect via headers and not use the six pin header. This would make the PCB wider but the 74LS07 wouldn't be located over the crystal, the width between A5 and the 4-pin header is wide enough the 74LS07 could be placed between them allowing the PCB to be shorter. The attached image shows the needed connections in yellow, with an alternate ground connection on the same side as A5, and the PCB outline in red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 I'm using the 4 pin header in your pic but I'm trying to keep this as small as possible so it's as easy and cheap as possible for people to order one from OSHPark. I couldn't justify the increased width to stretch over to the A5 pin and really wanted to keep the 6pin header as an anchor for the board, it has to put up with quite a bit of torquing from the sio lead. I tried to reposition the IC over that side but I couldn't get it small enough to keep me happy. If v2 still feels too fiddly/difficult I'll revisit the idea for v3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMontezuma Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Are the Gerber files for V2 also available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 If it works well when I get my test boards back from oshpark, yes I'll be sharing the gerbers. If not, I'll be sharing v3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hefner Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 I got my v1 boards in today and put one together. Haven't installed it in my SDrive yet though. I'll try to work on that this weekend. I have to say the boards from OSH Park look very nice, I dig the purple color too, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMontezuma Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 I also got mine: and decided for heatshrink tubing: to prevent a short circuit. I connected the SIO command line directly to Arduino A5, since there is no real benefit of passing it through the breakout board. @Mr Robot By the way, the 7407 IC has a few unused buffers, so the SIO command line could be handled the same way as SIO Data In. It is just a matter of adding one more 4k7 resistor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) My V2 boards turned up yesterday too. I haven't had time to test one but a test fit looks to be perfect. I'll hopefully get chance to do a test today. @TheMontezuma If I have to make a v3 I'll have a look at doing that too but from the test of v1 it doesn't seem to need it. Edited February 15, 2019 by Mr Robot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMontezuma Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) @TheMontezuma If I have to make a v3 I'll have a look at doing that too but from the test of v1 it doesn't seem to need it. Yes, the proposed improvement is not essential, since A5 is not affected by the connection to the FTDI chip (like RxD and TxD are). However, since you anyway decided to route the "command line" through the breakout board, why not use a free buffer? It is anyway there. This way all SIO lines would go through 7407 and would be decoupled from "dirty" Arduino UNO internal wirings. On the other hand "never ever touch a running system", so perhaps it is better to keep the current design as a final one, unless there is a real need for v3. Edited February 15, 2019 by TheMontezuma 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hefner Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Got the v1 board installed in my Sdrive-Max a few minutes ago, and I was able to test it with a 1050 drive as 1, and images loaded on 2, 3 & 4. Everything appears to work correctly. Didn't get a chance to check it with my XF551, as I've had a part fall out of the drive mech, lol. I think it's either weight or shielding for the top head.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 easy to put back.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hefner Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) Yep, 5 minutes and some white double face tape, and done, lol. The XF551 does work now with the modded SDrive-Max, where before it wouldn't work at all (the 1050 would occasionally work with it though). I'll give it a two thumbs up, lol. I've got 2 more boards (plus the IC and resistors) here for this 'gen 1' version if anybody stateside wants them, just let me know via PM. The IC does rest right on top of that crystal, and the 6 pin header sits just flush with the board (had to tack solder 3 leads on the other side to get it to stay), but it does fit. easy to put back.. Edited February 15, 2019 by David Hefner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Is there a way to solder a pin header and make this a plug-in thing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 All things are possible but maybe not desirable. The screen is already on a pin header and we are trying to fit another board between the two boards. If we use a pin header and socket it will make the new board the same height as the screen and the screen will need to be mounted higher making the sdrive thicker. What Im doing is using a pin header on the uno board and a single wire as solder points so the board can be soldered lower on the pins giving room for the screen. There isnt a way to make this solder free without doubling the thickness of the finished sdrive. Even then youve got to solder on all the pinheaders to the board you just made and attach an sio cable to it. Soldering is really unavoidable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 V2 works great! Here's a pic of it installed. I've documented this on my website here including links to the boards on OSHPark, where you can get the gerbers if you want to get the boards made elsewhere. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Looks great! I will be building one of those eventually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Looks great! I will be building one of those eventually. Yeah - I don't need one, but then again, I don't "need" any of my 8-bit kit. I'll get around to putting something together once all the bugs get worked out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Yeah - I don't need one, but then again, I don't "need" any of my 8-bit kit. I'll get around to putting something together once all the bugs get worked out. Heh. Yeah, exactly. I built an SDrive-MAX last summer and it's great, but it *is* temperamental with physical drives, which I still like to use from time to time. So I'll probably be buying parts for this add-on board and rewiring my setup so I can properly isolate the SIO bus and use the device with all my machines and drives in whatever combination I fancy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Payne Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 I just tested BigBen's solution with my 850 and without the 850, no issues. With, my 800 went to memopad. Suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 use mr robots kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Payne Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 use mr robots kit Other than an really nice looking board, what's the difference? I've already cobbled together a board from BB so instead of ordering a board at this point, I'd like to fix this one if I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Payne Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 use mr robots kit Hang on a sec. He said he came up with a solution on his page and it linked to an AA thread which was exactly what I followed. http://www.abbuc.de/community/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9451&start=100#p80929 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Hang on a sec. He said he came up with a solution on his page and it linked to an AA thread which was exactly what I followed. http://www.abbuc.de/community/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9451&start=100#p80929 Photos of what you built and how it's wired would be helpful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Payne Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) Here are two images Edited February 17, 2019 by Justin Payne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) The Yellow square looks like a bridge to me It looks iffy to me but benefit of the doubt on the Blue square. I'm not too certain about the two IC pins next to the black wire at the top either, though it could just be flux. Lastly the IC pins on the underside look scarily close to the metal can of that crystal, check to make sure it's not possible for them to touch. EDIT: Having said that your problem sounds more software than hardware to me. If it works in an XL but not an 800, I'd be thinking about BASIC and whether what I'm trying to load needs it. Edited February 17, 2019 by Mr Robot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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