Tillek Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 38 minutes ago, Chri O. said: stay tuned ? I'm about to test this on Falcon I just got home from work... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNameOfTheGame Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 44 minutes ago, Chri O. said: stay tuned ? I'm about to test this on Falcon I just got home from work... Nice! Looking forward to your impressions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chri O. Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Well not looking so great, all the low and medium resolutions work beautiful but as soon as I switch to Interlace on it's a whole another story. I am definitely having issues with RGB and Interlace On mode, seems like the screen is jumping by one pixel up and down quickly. So I guess anything about 600 x 400 looks way better through VGA. (Or is it 600x480 VGA ?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuf Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Chri O. said: Well not looking so great, all the low and medium resolutions work beautiful but as soon as I switch to Interlace on it's a whole another story. I am definitely having issues with RGB and Interlace On mode, seems like the screen is jumping by one pixel up and down quickly. So I guess anything about 600 x 400 looks way better through VGA. (Or is it 600x480 VGA ?) On the Falcon I think you have TV modes and VGA modes, each with an interlace option and 80 column mode option. If you run one of the VGA modes with interlace on/80 column mode, how does it look? Can you tell what rate its syncing to? Edited January 9, 2022 by tuf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chri O. Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 VGA 80 columns Double line on mode looks okay except every 10 or so pixels looks shifted to each other ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chri O. Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) RGB... While this pictures does not show the distortion I am seeing through my eyes apparently the phone can capture one single frame no problem. Trust me this is not something you want to look at for too long. EDIT: oh wow okay on bigger screen on the computer I can actually see it... Edited January 9, 2022 by Chri O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Just out of curiosity, do you have Videlity? (Or any similar programs?) Looking to see how far it can be pushed (especially on a stock Falcon). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chri O. Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Unfortunately not I've been playing with that back in the 90s but my falcon was put away for about 25 plus years and I just got it going not too long ago in the middle of the cov19 crisis (new HD). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 All good. Unfortunately, this is the end of my holiday vacation... but I'll pick up one or two of the monitors next weekend and play with it. (I have enough ST's that it's worth the investment just for those, but maybe the U2410's aren't going to be retired just yet). /s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chri O. Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 The good thing is when I went inside the MicroCenter yesterday (Paterson New Jersey) they had at least ten or more of those monitors laying on the floor just ready to be picked up ?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 When I checked my local store, it said "25+" in stock. Not worried.... though.... don't know why we had to tell "the Commies" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chri O. Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Quote @ParanoidLittleMan post# 44 This reminds me - there was some project of real digital video output from modded Atari ST(E) machines - any experiences with it ? No experiences yet but I did get almost all the parts necessary except the PCB, converts digital RGB signals to HDMI, this is probably the best picture quality possible on any of the Atari computers all Pure digital: https://github.com/c0pperdragon/Amiga-Digital-Video/issues/6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightbit Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 There's also a 22 inch in the line that you can try: https://www.microcenter.com/product/638578/dell-se2222h-215-quot-full-hd-(1920-x-1080)-60hz-led-monitor?rf=PDP_altSell+>+Cross_Sell+>+Cross+Sell+LED+LCD+Monitors+Broad Although it does not advertise "FreeSync". Would be interesting to see if this one works or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightbit Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Tillek said: Not worried.... though.... don't know why we had to tell "the Commies" I'm on both sides 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chri O. Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) ? Edited January 9, 2022 by Chri O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightbit Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) I happened upon this on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/265460408914 It is a VGA adapter for the Amiga series machines that has "VLR" or "vertical line reduction". Those lines in one of the auction pictures look just like the lines we are seeing while using this monitor with the Atari ST. I wonder what technology this seller is using to remove the lines? I wonder if some VGA adapter for the ST exists that can do the same thing? Edited January 9, 2022 by eightbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNameOfTheGame Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 35 minutes ago, eightbit said: There's also a 22 inch in the line that you can try: https://www.microcenter.com/product/638578/dell-se2222h-215-quot-full-hd-(1920-x-1080)-60hz-led-monitor?rf=PDP_altSell+>+Cross_Sell+>+Cross+Sell+LED+LCD+Monitors+Broad Although it does not advertise "FreeSync". Would be interesting to see if this one works or not. Going by this page it looks like the 22 inch version doesn't support FreeSync. https://www.displaydb.com/compare/dell-se2422h/dell-se2222h Look under the Features->Cool Features section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNameOfTheGame Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 18 minutes ago, eightbit said: I happened upon this on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/265460408914 It is a VGA adapter for the Amiga series machines that has "VLR" or "vertical line reduction". Those lines in one of the auction pictures look just like the lines we are seeing while using this monitor with the Atari ST. I wonder what technology this seller is using to remove the lines? I wonder if some VGA adapter for the ST exists that can do the same thing? Interesting. That would be nice to have for the ST also. Wonder if the developer has considered it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightbit Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, TheNameOfTheGame said: Interesting. That would be nice to have for the ST also. Wonder if the developer has considered it? I sent him a message and asked. Those lines are precisely what I get on the ST so I bet whatever fix he has in place with this adapter would solve the problem for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chri O. Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) I am honestly not sure if this FreeSync is responsible for this monitor being able to sync down all the way to 15 khz. Whoever was the engineer designing this Dell monitor needs our special thank you. Edited January 9, 2022 by Chri O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightbit Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 15 hours ago, ParanoidLittleMan said: Considering price: for same money (200 bucks) here can buy 24 inch Philips TV - 2 HDMI, 1 VGA, 1 Scart inputs. I am very envious. If we had the ability to get any display in the USA with a SCART connector as easily I would snap one up in a heartbeat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParanoidLittleMan Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Having video input on new TVs was mandatory in Europe since about 1990 . Of course because home computers, video recorders and other devices producing video signal. Scart is just connector what has it all in one - composite video, R,G,B inputs, stereo audio input . And S-Video too . Some TVs had for instance RCA jacks - 1 for composite, 1 for audio, or 2. I saw even solutions with optocouplers - where TV electronic was not insulated from electric power. Now, why no newer TVs on USA market with support for old, analog video signals - NTSC in first place ? Or there are ? But no RGB input, for sure. Still, should work via VGA, because can work at 16 KHz video (hor. freq.) . Here to add that support for those lower scan frequencies really doesn't raise manufacturing costs. It is all in chips/firmware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightbit Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ParanoidLittleMan said: Scart is just connector what has it all in one - composite video, R,G,B inputs, stereo audio input . I think really what I mean by being envious to your SCART connection is that it accepts RGB signals. We did not have RGB here at all. We had component by the late 90's and early 2000's, but that signal is of course not RGB and we have to convert it. I am of course referring to TV's we had prior to HDMI or VGA connections like they do now. Edited January 9, 2022 by eightbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chri O. Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Atari Falcon 030 HMMM Demo & RGB Dell SE2722H TEST.......... ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightbit Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 Amazing. Looks GREAT! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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