+DarkLord Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Stephen said: Proof the Amiga is the better machine (runs and takes cover). You should! On the flip side of the coin, I've got about half a dozen of those VGA adapters, some from Centurion, some from Exxos's Online Store and I think? one came when Ube himself was selling them (not sure about that last part). Point being, they all work with my Dell 27" monitor and Mega STe, giving that nice (large!) crisp picture like I posted above. Which only reinforces that old adage that an exception doesn't make a rule... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuf Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Stephen said: Proof the Amiga is the better machine (runs and takes cover). Coward! If the Amiga ran Cubase I'd agree with you, but alas it doesn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible kid Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Hey tuf, sorry to be nosy, i guess you've tried rgb2hdmi? I just found out about it and ordered it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 9 hours ago, tuf said: Coward! If the Amiga ran Cubase I'd agree with you, but alas it doesn't Over the years of owning both... I would say the Amiga is more interesting... from a hardware perspective. The Atari ST is better from a 'shut up and get work done' perspective. anything from video games to DTP to Music creation, the ST is easier to get into. I mean this from being able to just put in a disk and it works, or copying a folder over and it will work from a hard drive. It is just easier to work with, this is partially due to limitations of TOS/GEM, or even just the simplicity of it. The Amiga side of things, sure there is a huge library of games that run off of floppy, but there is a range of them that require a specific Kickstarter, chipmem, etc. Since there are so many variants of the hardware, more compatibility issues can pop up. Each platform have their pros and cons for sure. Mint makes the ST just as fun from the 'muxk around with the OS level at least. Oh, how I wish Atari had stuck with it just one more year and given us a big box Falcon 040... that would have changed my mind.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightbit Posted January 1 Author Share Posted January 1 I've always been an Amiga guy myself, but I have come to respect the ST line over the years. I can say I do like the fact of TOS in ROM. I never did like no WB (even a simplified version) not being on ROM. I also appreciate a SCSI port (or ASCI) interface being right there and available for stuff. And, I have seen some amazing stuff out of the STe model in particular. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuf Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, leech said: Each platform have their pros and cons for sure. Mint makes the ST just as fun from the 'muxk around with the OS level at least. I'm with you. Anyone who has a real beef with either/or is just a weirdo. STs were good at music apps, Amigas were good at video apps. Both played games. The Amiga is hands down the better hardware and OS. Atari (as eightbit said) included the MIDI and hard drive ports. Most of the wedge shaped STs had internal power supplies At any rate to keep it on topic, they both work amazingly well with this monitor! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible kid Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Atari ST guy, but was slightly disappointed coming from the 8 bit line. The ST didn't seem as immediately responsive as the 8 bit. As a BASIC user, the 8 bit basic was better and more fun. I didn't play an Amiga too much, but tried the games I loved on the ST like Defender of the Crown, Bard's Tale, and Dungeon Master years later on an emulator, but liked the ST versions better. But in the days of the ST, I also started using the legendary NES and it's iconic game library which is hard to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0ri Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Hi, At last I connected my Atari to mentioned Dell. I confirm too - it works OK despite vertical stripes. I recommend. I'll try to run Freesync on PC's Hercules Graphic Card for curiosity, haha. tOri 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jfcatari Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Glad to hear the news! Please report on the pc side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad5200 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Does anyone know of an ST2VGA adaptor with audio output that is available now for sale? I'd like to hook this Dell SE2722H monitor up to my Mega ST in Low/Medium Resolution Mode but I need an adaptor. Centurion and Shift838 are both showing out of stock... https://centuriontech.eu/product/st2vga-r4/ https://www.shift838.com/store/index.php?rt=product/product&product_id=9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible kid Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Best Electronics has a cable: https://www.best-electronics-ca.com/monadapt.htm#2nd I also got the adapter that is listed along with it. For redundancy I also ordered an adapter from Centurion. They were out of stock, so I put my name on the waiting list, and got one not too long after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djglish Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 I had an old Atari video cable that had a bad wire somewhere in the cable. I was able to make my own video adapter and added a audio out plug too (That one was only color). Also built one years ago with a switch that lets me do both color and mono. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0ri Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Hi, I assembled an HGC->VGA cable (similar to the one for the Atari ST Mono - Mono signal to RGBinputs and Hsync and Vsync). Unfortunately - I was unable to get sync on three cards. I'll see later on an oscilloscope if there are actually signals coming out of the graphics card. It is possible that I did something wrong although rather everything is OK. It's a bit of a pity, but mostly you can't have everything at once :) tOri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 I just checked Exxos and there are 26 ST2VGA in stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 45 minutes ago, Forrest said: I just checked Exxos and there are 26 ST2VGA in stock I need to order some stuff from him, but wondering if I should wait for more Falcon accelerators to be in stock... Ha, I have been playing around with CRTs lately. Would be nice if I could get a hold of one that was a proper multisync and just use an ST2VGA adapter. This particular monitor is sweet, but I love 4:3 screens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jfcatari Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 This Dell does switch between 16:9 and 4:3. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+nurmix Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 12 hours ago, Jfcatari said: This Dell does switch between 16:9 and 4:3. Yep. And even though I’m generally a purist when it comes to 4:3 content being displayed on a 4:3 screen (which this Dell does beautifully), I actually like ST Medium in 16:9 on this thing. It sort of “fixes” it to my eyes. It always seemed like the ugly step-child of ST resolutions, with its vertically stretched icons. In 16:9 it looks ‘normal’. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightbit Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 I always use the 4:3 setting on these displays for the retro computers I have connected, but I do have the say that it does look "proper" at 16:9 on the ST medium res as mentioned above. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0ri Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Hi, I found another monitor/television - Philips 24phh4000/88. It works great with Atari ST in all modes on VGA input with VGA switcher - Kinmami's version. With other computers I have not checked. The TV has a SCART input and HDMI inputs. It is an older TV, so I don't know if it is still available. In Poland you can still buy a used one for about $45. tOri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsonny Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 On 2/4/2022 at 11:01 PM, vkcpolice said: is this the monitor? https://www.jbhifi.com.au/products/dell-se2722h-27-full-hd-monitor?store=63&gclid=Cj0KCQiAuvOPBhDXARIsAKzLQ8FZPTC6j-eVF3OzFebIe6LG5qGuFYrXlSKhmP2Hb7aIPqhkg732cgMaAgO6EALw_wcB im in Australia so want to make sure its going to work before wasting money Did you end up getting one and did it work out ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npturton Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Just ordered a new Dell SE2722H direct from Dell UK £96.90 Amazon UK also have them at £115 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsonny Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 On 1/1/2024 at 9:45 AM, invisible kid said: Hey tuf, sorry to be nosy, i guess you've tried rgb2hdmi? I just found out about it and ordered it up. I've tried a few different video converter options for the ST and I'm going to say the RGBtoHDMI solution is by far the better option. Sensational video quality and control over very fine detail tuning you just don't get with the STtoVGA solution. Of course, the better quality comes at a price 🙂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightbit Posted July 18 Author Share Posted July 18 56 minutes ago, macsonny said: I've tried a few different video converter options for the ST and I'm going to say the RGBtoHDMI solution is by far the better option. Sensational video quality and control over very fine detail tuning you just don't get with the STtoVGA solution. Of course, the better quality comes at a price 🙂 I use an OSSC with one of my Amigas to a 32 inch HDMI monitor and it as well is pretty incredible. But, like you said, comes at a price. My other Amiga is still using this excellent Dell display, and the quality is quite solid. I still think this monitor is the best deal for the buck. Works out of the box with all 15khz signals (PAL and NTSC) for $99. I have three of these now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 1 hour ago, macsonny said: I've tried a few different video converter options for the ST and I'm going to say the RGBtoHDMI solution is by far the better option. Without question, and I've been there done that with just about every option under the sun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuf Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 10 minutes ago, remowilliams said: Without question, and I've been there done that with just about every option under the sun. Sorry to have missed @invisible kid's question, but yes I have tried RGB2HDMI. I think it's incredible. BUT, and this is my personal opinion and preference... I prefer to use native output methods whenever possible. Nothing wrong with an Atari or Amiga festooned with RPIs in every socket, but for me part of the charm of working with these ancient systems is converting the output signal or using it on a proper monitor. You may say that RGB2HDMI also converts the native signal (which it does), but you know what I mean I've also tried Lumacode solutions for various systems and that's incredible as well. It's so great we have so many options! Lately I've been using my STs and MIST (Thanks @eightbit!) with VGA and get great results with a variety of 15k monitors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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