Intellivision Amico’s trademark changed to ‘abandoned’

[Cebus Capucinis]

Oh, right, it was "they don't need to pass FCC certs to manufacture, just to sell."

 

Because it's always a brilliant strategy to spend a ton of money manufacturing something that you may not be able to sell under existing regulations. Frankly I wouldn't but this past TT and the Sunshine Band.

[MrBeefy]

9 minutes ago, Matt_B said:

The Amico Fever Dream Compilation sounds good to me. ?

 

Whether individually or all together, I'd still only expect them to sell in the tens of thousands, barring something being a viral hit. Those are still probably better numbers than they'd be looking at had the Amico come out though.

Switch can have the exclusive PORN ENHANCED edition!

[kevtris]

That's pretty much it.  It looks like intv failed their first emissions test, and maybe did some fixes on the pcb, but never retested it.  It is far from a foregone conclusion that they would pass the second time.  The only way to know is to actually test it.  Anything else is just stalling and attempting to baffle people with bullshit.  The only reasons they wouldn't retest right away are that a) their engineers already left, or b) they ran out of money.  Typically retesting is a lot cheaper than the initial test, and sometimes is included in the price, because this happens all the time. 

 

One of the bigger lols was their "we don't need FCC certification to manufacture, just sell".   well, yeah, but if you make a few thousand unsellable amicos, what are you going to do with them?  dump the cargo container of them off shore to make fish habitat?  use them as impromptu foot baths?  That was one of the dumber things tommy and friends said. 

 

The current systems they have built are just a prototype run, and are far from production ready/quality.  They would most likely need another PCB spin, especially now that it's been a few years since it was designed.  A bunch of those parts they specified are probably EOL or flat out unavailable, so they will have to redesign parts of it for the things they CAN get.  And that means recertification anyways. 

 

 

[Rev]

Yep. Snafu on Amico looked alright. Its fun on Mattel Intv. 

[mr_me]

 

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, MrBeefy said:

Some people like mental gymnastics as opposed to facts. Some will still believe that the FCC isn't accurate and they've passed.

 

The idea of parsimony is lost on some. It isn't on the FCC site because they didn't pass. The engineer (quit in June 2022) said it didn't pass.

The fcc web site is accurate because they haven't claimed to file with fcc.  An engineer is quoted above as saying they passed testing but didn't go back for final certification.  Their other engineer on video last summer also said they passed fcc testing. Nobody is saying they filed for final certification.  That's why it's not on the fcc site.

 

3 minutes ago, Rev said:

The hardware has been touted as done for a long time. This was supposed to be in actual assembly line manufacturing 2 years ago.  What changes are (or would be) left to make other than OS and online backend stuff. 

The first I heard they might be ready for manufacturing was late 2021.  We haven't had an update on the status on those systems for a while.  They could be ready for all we know.

[MrBeefy]

1 minute ago, Cebus Capucinis said:

Oh, right, it was "they don't need to pass FCC certs to manufacture, just to sell."

 

Because it's always a brilliant strategy to spend a ton of money manufacturing something that you may not be able to sell under existing regulations. Frankly I wouldn't but this past TT and the Sunshine Band.

That is what is funny about that arguement. They are either really dumb, or don't intend to sell the console. Both of those options are bad. In this instance I think we could possibly say it is both.

[Rev]

Just now, mr_me said:

 

 

 

 

The fcc web site is accurate because they haven't claimed to file with fcc.  An engineer is quoted above as saying they passed testing but didn't go back for final certification.  Their other engineer on video last summer also said they passed fcc testing. Nobody is saying they filed for final certification.  That's why it's not on the fcc site.

 

The first I heard they might be ready for manufacturing was late 2021.  We haven't had an update on the status on those systems for a while.  They could be ready for all we know.

What engineers are left? The one that filed on FCC is long gone. 
 

Hmm.  Late 2021?   What about all the other 5-10 release dates?  Was all those real or fake……dont answer that. We know the answer.

[MrBeefy]

3 minutes ago, kevtris said:

That's pretty much it.  It looks like intv failed their first emissions test, and maybe did some fixes on the pcb, but never retested it.  It is far from a foregone conclusion that they would pass the second time.  The only way to know is to actually test it.  Anything else is just stalling and attempting to baffle people with bullshit.  The only reasons they wouldn't retest right away are that a) their engineers already left, or b) they ran out of money.  Typically retesting is a lot cheaper than the initial test, and sometimes is included in the price, because this happens all the time. 

 

One of the bigger lols was their "we don't need FCC certification to manufacture, just sell".   well, yeah, but if you make a few thousand unsellable amicos, what are you going to do with them?  dump the cargo container of them off shore to make fish habitat?  use them as impromptu foot baths?  That was one of the dumber things tommy and friends said. 

 

The current systems they have built are just a prototype run, and are far from production ready/quality.  They would most likely need another PCB spin, especially now that it's been a few years since it was designed.  A bunch of those parts they specified are probably EOL or flat out unavailable, so they will have to redesign parts of it for the things they CAN get.  And that means recertification anyways. 

 

THANK YOU!

 

I mean I know I'm full of crap, but at least live in reality. ??

[MrBeefy]

5 minutes ago, mr_me said:

 

 

 

 

The fcc web site is accurate because they haven't claimed to file with fcc.  An engineer is quoted above as saying they passed testing but didn't go back for final certification.  Their other engineer on video last summer also said they passed fcc testing. Nobody is saying they filed for final certification.  That's why it's not on the fcc site.

 

The first I heard they might be ready for manufacturing was late 2021.  We haven't had an update on the status on those systems for a while.  They could be ready for all we know.

You bought a lie and are still buying it. Deal with it. They didn't passed and according to the engineer that left in June of this year still haven't. You are wrong and have been suckered into believing a fairy tale.

 

Hey about passing FCC certification, Wouldn't That be something?

 

In case you didn't read I'm including this here too.

10 minutes ago, kevtris said:

That's pretty much it.  It looks like intv failed their first emissions test, and maybe did some fixes on the pcb, but never retested it.  It is far from a foregone conclusion that they would pass the second time.  The only way to know is to actually test it.  Anything else is just stalling and attempting to baffle people with bullshit.  The only reasons they wouldn't retest right away are that a) their engineers already left, or b) they ran out of money.  Typically retesting is a lot cheaper than the initial test, and sometimes is included in the price, because this happens all the time. 

 

One of the bigger lols was their "we don't need FCC certification to manufacture, just sell".   well, yeah, but if you make a few thousand unsellable amicos, what are you going to do with them?  dump the cargo container of them off shore to make fish habitat?  use them as impromptu foot baths?  That was one of the dumber things tommy and friends said. 

 

The current systems they have built are just a prototype run, and are far from production ready/quality.  They would most likely need another PCB spin, especially now that it's been a few years since it was designed.  A bunch of those parts they specified are probably EOL or flat out unavailable, so they will have to redesign parts of it for the things they CAN get.  And that means recertification anyways. 

[Rev]

2 years ago there was some manufacturing update that was supposed to produce 35,000 units a month?   Creep is getting info from AA, anyone able to find it?

 

 

[Rev]

Here is a press release/manufacturing update from Ark and Intellivision, April 2021 launch date. I guess this was fake when it was announced, it is very hard to believe anything from Intellivision Entertainment.  Same song over and over and over. 
 

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/ark-electronics-awarded-intellivision-entertainment-amico-gaming-system-manufacturing-contract-1029594442?op=1

 

 

[mr_me]

35 minutes ago, kevtris said:

.  A bunch of those parts they specified are probably EOL or flat out unavailable, so they will have to redesign parts of it for the things they CAN get.  And that means recertification anyways. 

And that's a reason not to file for final certification until they are in manufacturing.  Design changes can happen during manufacturing pre-production.   But they're not going to go into manufacturing without knowing they've passed fcc tests, which they have.  They've already talked about having to certify two variations.

 

22 minutes ago, Rev said:

2 years ago there was some manufacturing update that was supposed to produce 35,000 units a month?   Creep is getting info from AA, anyone able to find it?

The agreement with Ark was announced. The 35000 units sounds like the monthly manufacturing capacity that was being discussed.  Their plans were to make more than that.  The product not being ready would be a good reason it didn't happen, but we don't know the specifics.

Edited July 25, 2022 by mr_me

[rayik]

5 minutes ago, mr_me said:

And that's a reason not to file for final certification until they are in manufacturing.  Changes like this can happen during manufacturing pre-production.   But they're not going to go into manufacturing without knowing they've passed fcc tests, which they have.  They've already talked about having to certify two variations.

 

The agreement with Ark was announced. The 35000 units sounds like the monthly manufacturing capacity that was being discussed.  Their plans were to make more than that.  The product not being ready would be a good reason it didn't happen, but we don't know the specifics.

 

@mr_me  You get max credit for being a true believer.  In all seriousness, really do hope you get an Amico someday.

[Rev]

Maybe since FCC is not passed, and possibly can not get the parts needed, they should redesign Amico from the bottom up!    Get rid of the un-needed controllers and make the console look like a normal one, not with those foot rest spaces.  

[Rev]

1 minute ago, rayik said:

 

@mr_me  You get max credit for being a true believer.  In all seriousness, really do hope you get an Amico someday.

Highly doubt its in 2022.  But miracles can happen!  

[mr_me]

9 minutes ago, rayik said:

 

@mr_me  You get max credit for being a true believer.  In all seriousness, really do hope you get an Amico someday.

What makes you think I want one.  I'm not a believer, I'm just making comments.  We have two engineers that say they passed fcc certification tests.  Don't understand why people are saying it's an issue.  Could they be lying, possibly, but there's no evidence to support that.

 

8 minutes ago, Rev said:

Maybe since FCC is not passed, and possibly can not get the parts needed, they should redesign Amico from the bottom up!    Get rid of the un-needed controllers and make the console look like a normal one, not with those foot rest spaces.  

There's already lots of consoles with normal looking controllers.  This is for people who want something different.

Edited July 25, 2022 by mr_me

[MrBeefy]

21 minutes ago, mr_me said:

And that's a reason not to file for final certification until they are in manufacturing.  Design changes can happen during manufacturing pre-production.   But they're not going to go into manufacturing without knowing they've passed fcc tests, which they have.  They've already talked about having to certify two variations.

 

The agreement with Ark was announced. The 35000 units sounds like the monthly manufacturing capacity that was being discussed.  Their plans were to make more than that.  The product not being ready would be a good reason it didn't happen, but we don't know the specifics.

So they never passed cool. Keep thriving on those lies.

[MrBeefy]

42 minutes ago, Rev said:

2 years ago there was some manufacturing update that was supposed to produce 35,000 units a month?   Creep is getting info from AA, anyone able to find it?

 

 

It is in the Q&A somewhere iirc. If I come across I will let you know.

35 minutes ago, Rev said:

Here is a press release/manufacturing update from Ark and Intellivision, April 2021 launch date. I guess this was fake when it was announced, it is very hard to believe anything from Intellivision Entertainment.  Same song over and over and over. 
 

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/ark-electronics-awarded-intellivision-entertainment-amico-gaming-system-manufacturing-contract-1029594442?op=1

 

 

The article didn't have a quote thanking IE for the free $1.3 million. What gives!?

17 minutes ago, Rev said:

Maybe since FCC is not passed, and possibly can not get the parts needed, they should redesign Amico from the bottom up!    Get rid of the un-needed controllers and make the console look like a normal one, not with those foot rest spaces.  

 

16 minutes ago, Rev said:

Highly doubt its in 2022.  But miracles can happen!  

Well they still haven't passed FCC. So 2022 is out because they aren't manufacturing them and they don't plan to sell them.

 

Unless you believe their lies or think they so far gone that calling them dumb is giving them too much credit. ??

Edited July 25, 2022 by MrBeefy

[kevtris]

43 minutes ago, mr_me said:

And that's a reason not to file for final certification until they are in manufacturing.  Design changes can happen during manufacturing pre-production.   But they're not going to go into manufacturing without knowing they've passed fcc tests, which they have.  They've already talked about having to certify two variations.

 

The agreement with Ark was announced. The 35000 units sounds like the monthly manufacturing capacity that was being discussed.  Their plans were to make more than that.  The product not being ready would be a good reason it didn't happen, but we don't know the specifics.

I don't know if you've been through this before, but I have personally been through the certification and testing procedure around 10 times now.  You have no clue how this works.  You submit your design for testing/certification, and if it fails you fix it and retest immediately.  You don't just leave it hanging and say you'll get around to it later.  You paid all that money so you will normally complete the testing.

 

You would NOT test your stuff if you were not ready to go into manufacturing.  full stop.  I mean, I guess you COULD but there is absolutely no reason you would ever do this.  The general way these things work is this:

 

* design the hardware

* make prototype hardware

* run it through emissions testing

* fix the fails the testing found

* repeat until it passes

* go into production

 

One thing you wouldn't do is test your product yourself since it needs quite a bit of specialized equipment/gear and ideally a faraday cage to run the tests in.  Large companies like microsoft and friends have these capabilities, but intellivision sure didn't.  Their walk in freezer may be made of steel, but it isn't a good substitute for a faraday cage.  I didn't see any RF equipment in their tours of any kind (spectrum analyzers, antennas, etc) so there's very little chance of them doing any meaningful testing.

 

In addition to passing the usual emissions tests, I have had to deal with the medial device directive stuff which is quite a bit more stringent than what intv would have to go through.  It's got better emissions specs and they do other fun things like failure analysis.

 

 

 

 

[mr_me]

I appreciate all that.  But their engineer said they passed fcc testing, not in house, but at the testing lab.

[Rev]

1 minute ago, mr_me said:

I appreciate all that.  But their engineer said they passed fcc testing, not in house, but at the testing lab.

 

Link or screencap or video?

[MrBeefy]

2 minutes ago, mr_me said:

I appreciate all that.  But their engineer said they passed fcc testing, not in house, but at the testing lab.

Engineer on reddit recently said they didn't. You've been lied to and continue to eat the tripe they feed you. ?

 

[mr_me]

3 minutes ago, Rev said:

 

Link or screencap or video?

It's in the reddit quote somebody posted above.  They were asked if preliminary testing meant in-house.  And the answer quoted was "No, testing was done at the lab ..."

[MrBeefy]

2 minutes ago, Rev said:

 

Link or screencap or video?

I got a couple links showing where they haven't

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm

 

 

 

 

[MrBeefy]

Just now, mr_me said:

It's in the reddit quote somebody posted above.  They were asked if preliminary testing meant in-house.  And the answer quoted was "No, testing was done at the lab ..."

AND IT FAILED