Intellivision Amico’s trademark changed to ‘abandoned’

[Matt_B]

1 hour ago, Rev said:

How about you tell is which retailers are IN?   

I think you just listed all of them. ?

 

At least, I can't see anyone still doing pre-orders other than Intellivision themselves.

[roots.genoa]

4 hours ago, kevtris said:

I could smell tommy's bullshit like a fart in a car the first month he was on atariage.

If I write a novel about the Amico in the style of a detective thriller, I now know how it will start. ?

 

And how it will end:

 

1 hour ago, Cebus Capucinis said:

Amico would have been the best console of all time if they wouldn't have let a dimwit run the show.

 

[rayik]

5 hours ago, mr_me said:

That could very well be but how do you know all retailers are out?  Doesn't matter now as they've completely changed their production plans to start with small production runs.

 

 

Asking it in the reverse: "How do you know retailers are still in?"

 

Can always say you can't prove a negative.  However, what retailers are still in and ready to buy when its being manufactured?  And please give sources to back up any assumptions that are made.

 

*** edit

Did not see Rev asking the same question until after posting this

Edited July 26, 2022 by rayik

[atarifan88]

8 hours ago, Rev said:

Unlike certain managers at Intellivision Entertainment that burned through 17+ million dollars and havent released a product other than the gift card game boxes. And are not giving people their requested refunds for many months now. Im sorry if the truth rubs people the wrong way, the Intellivision name and legacy has a black eye. sad. 

I agree.  Keith Robinson has to be rolling in his grave at all of this!

 

I was on board when the Amico was first announced because I haven't had a modern console since the Sega Genesis.  Now I wouldn't even buy a new console with the Intellivision name on it.  I will happily play my Ultimate Intellivision Flashback to keep the good old days of gaming going.  Since this debacle, our family got a switch.  I'm content with that for modern gaming.

Edited July 26, 2022 by atarifan88

[mr_me]

50 minutes ago, rayik said:

Asking it in the reverse: "How do you know retailers are still in?

...

You can ask whatever you want but someone made the claim that they have zero retailer purchase orders.

Edited July 26, 2022 by mr_me

[MarioMan88]

10 minutes ago, mr_me said:

You can ask whatever you want but someone made the claim that they have zero retailer purchase orders.

Well, they’ve sold 0 retail consoles….

 

Not sure why that is a hard concept to get ahold of….

[mr_me]

There are still people with preorders waiting for them despite not having shipped any.  Again, someone made the claim that there are zero retail purchase orders, not that they sold zero.  We know they haven't shipped anything yet.

[MrBeefy]

39 minutes ago, MarioMan88 said:

Well, they’ve sold 0 retail consoles….

 

Not sure why that is a hard concept to get ahold of….

Well some people have a hard time understanding not passed FCC means they did not pass. I think some people swallowed the hook TT cast them. Kind of how I've said they weren't done, and didn't pass certs for a long time now, and people kept saying I was wrong.

 

During that time said people were ignoring the facts posted on Fundable. I think it's an ego thing. But hey they got their trademark active again!

1 hour ago, atarifan88 said:

Since this debacle, our family got a switch.  I'm content with that for modern gaming.

Okay be honest now. How much porn have you been playing?

[mr_me]

Two of their engineers have said they passed fcc compliance tests.  Nobody is saying they submitted for fcc certification.

[1980gamer]

5 minutes ago, mr_me said:

Two of their engineers have said they passed fcc compliance tests.  Nobody is saying they submitted for fcc certification.

So the guess would be...  Certain components are still not available and possible substitutes would need to be used,  thus starting this process over?

Otherwise, why not submit the results?

[rayik]

1 hour ago, mr_me said:

You can ask whatever you want but someone made the claim that they have zero retailer purchase orders.

That does not address the question I asked. My question assumed as true the prior statement that there WERE retail Orders. 
 

My question is:

 

“How do you know retailers are still in?”

Edited July 26, 2022 by rayik

[mr_me]

6 minutes ago, 1980gamer said:

So the guess would be...  Certain components are still not available and possible substitutes would need to be used,  thus starting this process over?

Otherwise, why not submit the results?

 

They've already talked about having made a couple of variations compliant due to different parts options.  Unless they are able to start production of consumer units, I don't see them submitting for final certification.

 

1 minute ago, rayik said:

That does not address the question I asked. My question is:

 

“How do you know retailers are still in?”

 

I didn't make that claim.

[rayik]

Just now, mr_me said:

 

They've already talked about having made a couple of variations compliant due to different parts options.  Unless they are able to start production of consumer units, I don't see them submitting for final certification.

 

I didn't make that claim.

But you asked folks to prove retailers were not still in. The logical conclusion from that is you believe there are still retail orders existing. 
 

You just want to keep the conversation going

[mr_me]

I'm not the one keeping the conversation going.  Again people are making claims like they have zero retail purchase orders, that they haven't passed fcc compliance tests, among other things.

 

Edit:

This thread is just going over the same old stuff over and over again. Usually, that's when they get locked.

Edited July 26, 2022 by mr_me

[jerseystyle]

8 minutes ago, mr_me said:

I'm not the one keeping the conversation going.

[digdugnate]

57 minutes ago, jerseystyle said:

That's just water under the fridge.

[MrBeefy]

1 hour ago, jerseystyle said:

 So what were you hoping out of the cornhole game play? Is there anything they could do different to make shark shark worthwhile to ya?

[Flojomojo]

1 hour ago, mr_me said:

I'm not the one keeping the conversation going.  Again people are making claims like they have zero retail purchase orders, that they haven't passed fcc compliance tests, among other things.

 

Edit:

This thread is just going over the same old stuff over and over again. Usually, that's when they get locked.

You have at least one post on every page of this 52-page thread, often taking the word of the company that time and time again has been proven to not be a reliable source of information. Now you're talking about having this thread locked, like so many other Amico discussions before it. 

 

What do you get out of talking about this failed product, and why do you care what people say about it?

 

My take:

Amico not out yet. No evidence that it's coming anytime soon. The usual hopeful people are clinging to scraps of info which to me sound like empty promises. 

[+5-11under]

8 minutes ago, Flojomojo said:

My take:

Amico not out yet. No evidence that it's coming anytime soon.

Agreed, and "evidence" is the key word here... too many posts with opinions sometimes stated as facts, making this all a muddled mess. Example: we can guess that Distributors have left the deal (or that they haven't), but it's all bullshit (Stranger Things reference) unless you have the paperwork to prove one way or the other.

 

So either say that you're guessing (or assuming, or whatever it is you're doing), and back it up with your evidence or opinion. For example, you could say " I think the distributors have canceled the deal because most of these types of contracts end after xxx days), or "as per this attached document, this distributor has canceled the deal", or "TT said on xxxxx website on xxx day/year that the deal with xxxx is still active". Evidence. Only after that can one discuss the validity.

 

[jerseystyle]

28 minutes ago, MrBeefy said:

 So what were you hoping out of the cornhole game play? Is there anything they could do different to make shark shark worthwhile to ya?

I was hoping Cornhole would be a “Wii Sports” type of game. With some easy motion controls and some smoke and mirrors to make t fun and give the illusion of more control than one actually has. Instead it’s like they just used the motion as a button press and made it almost a simulator. There was like four steps before you could toss the bag. And the stripped down graphics were super bland. It lacked any sense of fun or whimsy. Where were the fun touches like, for example, the crowd in Wii Tennis, or the celebratory screens in Wii Bowling?  Or, to go in a different direction, the amazing attention to detail in the Ultra Chess series?

 

And the remade Shark Shark just looked CHEAP. Super generic graphics. Some of the fish and backgrounds looked like they came from a different game I feel most of the Amico games lacked any sense of identity. 

[Flojomojo]

But some guy on Reddit who used to work as a firmware engineer for Intellivision said that they passed most of the tests, and would have passed the rest too!

 

FCC: no certification found for this company

 

Who should we believe?

[mr_me]

1 hour ago, Flojomojo said:

You have at least one post on every page of this 52-page thread, often taking the word of the company that time and time again has been proven to not be a reliable source of information. Now you're talking about having this thread locked, like so many other Amico discussions before it. 

 

What do you get out of talking about this failed product, and why do you care what people say about it?

 

My take:

Amico not out yet. No evidence that it's coming anytime soon. The usual hopeful people are clinging to scraps of info which to me sound like empty promises. 

If people are going to repeatedly say they failed to pass fcc, it's worth noting that multiple company engineers have said they have passed fcc testing including one after they left the company.  There are a lot of resourceful people watching this company very closely, so if there is information that all the retailers cancelled their purchase orders it would be good to know.  If people just stick to their opinions, I wouldn't have much to say at all.  And no, I haven't commented on every page.

 

38 minutes ago, jerseystyle said:

I was hoping Cornhole would be a “Wii Sports” type of game. With some easy motion controls and some smoke and mirrors to make t fun and give the illusion of more control than one actually has. Instead it’s like they just used the motion as a button press and made it almost a simulator. There was like four steps before you could toss the bag. And the stripped down graphics were super bland. It lacked any sense of fun or whimsy. Where were the fun touches like, for example, the crowd in Wii Tennis, or the celebratory screens in Wii Bowling?  Or, to go in a different direction, the amazing attention to detail in the Ultra Chess series?

 

....

The new aiming options in cornhole are optional.  You could just throw and it defaults to aiming at the hole at a default vertical angle.  The first version was much more trying to be a simulator.  The second version is not unlike Wii Sports Bowling.  In Wii Sports Bowling you also have steps to position the bowler left or right, and then change the horizontal angle of throw using the dpad or buttons.  The difference is that in Amico Cornhole, they aren't steps, they can be done anytime, in any order or skipped altogether.  The motion sensors does determine the force of throw for undershoot/overshoot as well as how straight the throw is for left/right deviation.

 

37 minutes ago, Flojomojo said:

But some guy on Reddit who used to work as a firmware engineer for Intellivision said that they passed most of the tests, and would have passed the rest too!

 

FCC: no certification found for this company

 

Who should we believe?

It's multiple engineers, two on video.  And they didn't say they are going to pass, they said they did pass fcc rf emissions testing.  The one said they would have certified had they submitted but added they didn't submit.

Edited July 26, 2022 by mr_me

[Flojomojo]

Are you the last person left on the Intellivision payroll or what? 

 

If there were a valid FCC certification, it should have been posted by now. Electronics manufacturing is not a faith-based process. Proof or it didn't happen. 

 

If there were retailers planning to sell this fine device, there should be a "coming soon" page for it. Like there used to be at GameStop. If you expect us to believe that there are still retail purchase orders, let's see some evidence. No, "Tommy Tallarico said so before he was demoted" or "it was on the fundraising pages 2 years ago alongside other half-truths" don't cut it. 

 

I did in fact notice that there was at least one page where you did not post. Others have multiple. 14 of the last 15 posts you made were in this thread. Mea culpa. 

 

You're all alone with defending Amico Cornhole. If you think that's an interesting, competent design, more power to you. 

[ColecoJoe]

13 minutes ago, mr_me said:

The one said they would have certified had they submitted but added they didn't submit.

That's like saying "I'm certain I would have gotten an A on my midterms if I would have just gone to class that day"

[Flojomojo]

2 minutes ago, ColecoJoe said:

That's like saying "I'm certain I would have gotten an A on my midterms if I would have just gone to class that day"

You fail 100% of the FCC certifications you don't finish.