ForceInfinity Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Does the people working the experimental build have any visibility as to whether touchpad/keypad support is coming on the updates? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcinJ Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Well, the whole discussion about PC/MAC forgets that AtariAge forum /hobbyists tweaking their 2600+ units are not enough for commercial success of 2600+. You need to sell a lot more, especially in US. MACs take something between 15% to 20% share of US personal computer market. As Atari is selling probably most of 2600+ units in US, this is what you need to consider. Will investing resources into Mac update improve market shares and help to establish more sustainable 2600+ ecosystem? The other approach would be to built 2600++, which will be updatable via the USB port. :😛 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicodemusLegend Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 I think it's less that folks forget, and more that they may actively disagree about how much the 2600+ needs such widespread appeal to be viable and/or whether those outside our niche will be bothered by the limitations (without the firmware upgrades) we've been talking about. No one here (I don't think) disagrees with there being value in making upgrades as widely accessible as viable. But there's room (IMHO) to talk about what effort really is viable, and what's putting a lot of money and effort into something that may not have as much payoff as others think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean_1970 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 8 hours ago, MarcinJ said: The other approach would be to built 2600++, which will be updatable via the USB port. :😛 That should have been the initial approach along with a user-accessible menu via some kind of special switch+button combo. The amount of time being spent on an update which fixes a lot of issues suggests to me that the release was a bit rushed and probably should have come out this year. Certainly the testing wasn’t as extensive as it could have been. Obviously I don’t have details to indicate why this is, but lessons learned and all that I’m sure. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanner Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 You can flash the oem partition only and thats where everything is, there is no need to touch the rootfs, only if you really need too, and it flashes the oem in seconds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Al_Nafuur Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 On 5/8/2024 at 11:30 PM, Ben from Plaion said: Name your price? 😁 100k (Euro) per year. 😉 Are you hiring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradyblix Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 On 5/10/2024 at 12:21 PM, Sean_1970 said: That should have been the initial approach along with a user-accessible menu via some kind of special switch+button combo. The amount of time being spent on an update which fixes a lot of issues suggests to me that the release was a bit rushed and probably should have come out this year. Certainly the testing wasn’t as extensive as it could have been. Obviously I don’t have details to indicate why this is, but lessons learned and all that I’m sure. It's normal in the industry to release hardware and patch it later. Hell, they even do it for video games these days. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) On 5/10/2024 at 1:21 PM, Sean_1970 said: That should have been the initial approach along with a user-accessible menu via some kind of special switch+button combo. The amount of time being spent on an update which fixes a lot of issues suggests to me that the release was a bit rushed and probably should have come out this year. Certainly the testing wasn’t as extensive as it could have been. Obviously I don’t have details to indicate why this is, but lessons learned and all that I’m sure. The way they released it was fine. The continued updates have been great. There’s literally no such thing as a perfect 100% compatible retro game console right out of the box. Hell, even different revisions of the original 2600 and 7800 consoles have varying incompatibilities with certain games that were never fixed through the life of the console. Edited May 11 by John Stamos Mullet 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperZapperRecharge Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 4 hours ago, John Stamos Mullet said: There’s literally no such thing as a perfect 100% compatible retro game console right out of the box. I dunno the Atari VCS released in 1977 was pretty much 100% right out of the box! 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, SuperZapperRecharge said: I dunno the Atari VCS released in 1977 was pretty much 100% right out of the box! 😂 https://www.ataricompendium.com/faq/vcs_tia/vcs_tia.html 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, SuperZapperRecharge said: I dunno the Atari VCS released in 1977 was pretty much 100% right out of the box! 😂 The original heavy sixer has compatibility problems with certain bank switching schemes that weren't envisioned yet when it was originally released. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrChickenz Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 12 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said: The original heavy sixer has compatibility problems with certain bank switching schemes that weren't envisioned yet when it was originally released. You know I have a 2600 jr and Spider Fighter has a glitch i think it’s the score or the name. I have multiple carts and every Spider Fighter game has the same glitch only on the jr. They play fine on other systems. Like Time Pilot looked like before the update for the 2600+ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 minute ago, MrChickenz said: You know I have a 2600 jr and Spider Fighter has a glitch i think it’s the score or the name. I have multiple carts and every Spider Fighter game has the same glitch only on the jr. They play fine on other systems. Like Time Pilot looked like before the update for the 2600+ My Coleco Gemini had the same glitch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrChickenz Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) 3 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said: My Coleco Gemini had the same glitch. You had the Gemini? That was my first Atari system. I stared with Colecovision. I purchased the Gemini from Sears a couple years later. Instead of buying the 2600 adapter for the Colecovision. I thought the controllers were great! Of course the Atari paddles were the best Edited May 12 by MrChickenz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrChickenz Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 4 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said: My Coleco Gemini had the same glitch. I don’t have my original one anymore but I did get one a few years back. I’ll have to try it on the Gemini I guess I didn’t notice back then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 9 hours ago, John Stamos Mullet said: The way they released it was fine. The continued updates have been great. There’s literally no such thing as a perfect 100% compatible retro game console right out of the box. Hell, even different revisions of the original 2600 and 7800 consoles have varying incompatibilities with certain games that were never fixed through the life of the console. That's why Stella allows emulating these incompatibilities. Which is mainly meant for developers. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrChickenz Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) 4 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: That's why Stella allows emulating these incompatibilities. Which is mainly meant for developers. Stella has a Time Machine tab! Is there a tab for the touchpad? Edited May 12 by MrChickenz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Christmas Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 4/30/2024 at 3:01 AM, CPUWIZ said: I love self entitled people who complain about free stuff, they usually don't last long enough to be a real nuisance. Ain't free stuff. I paid the same two hundred everyone else did. For a product with mislabelled difficulty switches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Christmas Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 5/11/2024 at 9:26 PM, SuperZapperRecharge said: I dunno the Atari VCS released in 1977 was pretty much 100% right out of the box! 😂 Right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Christmas Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 5/11/2024 at 4:17 PM, tradyblix said: It's normal in the industry to release hardware and patch it later. Hell, they even do it for video games these days. It's normal for a product to now be nine months out of date with a tentative maybe patch on a forum not listed anywhere in the manual? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Mr. Christmas said: It's normal for a product to now be nine months out of date with a tentative maybe patch on a forum not listed anywhere in the manual? Out of date from what, exactly? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Mr. Christmas said: Right? No, wrong. There are 8 different revisions of the Atari VCS/2600, and ALL of them have varying compatibilty issues. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Mr. Christmas said: Ain't free stuff. I paid the same two hundred everyone else did. For a product with mislabelled difficulty switches. You paid $200 for a product that was sold for $129? maybe you’re just an idiot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 5/12/2024 at 1:35 PM, MrChickenz said: Stella has a Time Machine tab! Yup. For quite some years now. RTFM! On 5/12/2024 at 1:35 PM, MrChickenz said: Is there a tab for the touchpad? For what would you need that tab? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrChickenz Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 52 minutes ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: Yup. For quite some years now. RTFM! I just got schooled! 😁 Yup! I just RTFM and it was in there. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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