Sikor Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 (edited) Hmm, I don't know, that Kjmann is simply "pirate"... What a pity... You can read more here: http://atarionline.pl/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1456&page=1#Item_31 (translated version from this link: http://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fatarionline.pl%2Fforum%2Fcomments.php%3FDiscussionID%3D1456%26page%3D1%23Item_31 ) Edited August 3, 2011 by Sikor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 let's see what Sal has to tell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 (edited) I still wonder why people have not recognised his suspicious manner already. It's so obvious. Edited August 3, 2011 by emkay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosty Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 (edited) I'm confused. I don't believe that Kjmann is "simply pirate". He trades Atari stuff many many years. So I think this is rather a little misunderstanding. I wrote pm to Kjmann and I hope he explain this mistake. Edited August 3, 2011 by nosty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I'm confused. I don't believe that Kjmann is "simply pirate". He trades Atari stuff many many years. So I think this is rather a little misunderstanding. I wrote pm to Kjmann and I hope he explain this mistake. He's occupying everything that isn't safety bonded. Nothing new here. Possibly he will turn on this point particulary , but the rest will still keep as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russg Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Hmm, I don't know, that Kjmann is simply "pirate"... What a pity... You can read more here: http://atarionline.pl/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1456&page=1#Item_31 (translated version from this link: http://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fatarionline.pl%2Fforum%2Fcomments.php%3FDiscussionID%3D1456%26page%3D1%23Item_31 ) Kjmann (Sal Esquivel) comes here to AtariAge. He sells 'Space Harrier', 'Yoomp', anything he can find and put on a MaxFlash cart. I've heard of him being very slow, and sometimes just plain not delivering items he has received money for. About 'Quad', I never heard of it before. Maybe take this opportunity to introduce us to where it can be purchased legally. Right now, he's moving to Oregon from someplace, so he's probably not going to be available. I would guess he gets very little business. I would say he gets no permission for 99.9999% of the commercial, copyright games he sells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qix_maniac Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 (edited) old news, seems like we regurgitate this same topic every couple of months I believe his products were banned on ebay due to © infringement as well just as bad the fella selling m.u.l.e cart with the 800s or his now "new" product "multi-cart" with 60 games...blah blah blah Edited August 3, 2011 by qix_maniac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 (edited) old news, seems like we regurgitate this same topic every couple of months I believe his products were banned on ebay due to © infringement as well just as bad the fella selling m.u.l.e cart with the 800s or his now "new" product "multi-cart" with 60 games...blah blah blah Indeed, has sold the 800 with "MULE Cartidge" for $110, and now asking $130. Must be having some success: Atari 800 with MULE ($130): eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110722820604 Atari 800 with 60-game multicart ($90): eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110723660933 Recent completed listings of $110 for 800/MULE eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110717954234 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110719934537 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110721649707 Edited August 3, 2011 by wood_jl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qix_maniac Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 old news, seems like we regurgitate this same topic every couple of months I believe his products were banned on ebay due to © infringement as well just as bad the fella selling m.u.l.e cart with the 800s or his now "new" product "multi-cart" with 60 games...blah blah blah Indeed, has sold the 800 with "MULE Cartidge" for $110, and now asking $130. Must be having some success: Atari 800 with MULE ($130): eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110722820604 Atari 800 with 60-game multicart ($90): eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110723660933 Recent completed listings of $110 for 800/MULE eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110717954234 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110719934537 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110721649707 No Kidding. MULE cart is kinda cool. Wish he'd sell just the cart but then he'd get in trouble The system with the 4 joysticks is cool,nice setup for newbie...not sure if it's that profitable after ebay and paypal fees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If this is going to be another personal bashing thread, I think I cancel my atari-age-account (if that is possible). Come one people: if you have personal issues with someone, discuss that in private. Do not start this kind of threads. Thanks M. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchoolRetroGamer Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If this is going to be another personal bashing thread, I think I cancel my atari-age-account (if that is possible). Come one people: if you have personal issues with someone, discuss that in private. Do not start this kind of threads. Thanks M. Bashing or legitimate complaint? No you don't "cancel" forum accounts, simply stay away and do not return if you have issues with the board. You could also simply ignore certain posts and even block users you have an issue with, instead of attempting to dictate what can and cannot be posted here. How about simply ignore threads that don't meet with your approval. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem00 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 old news, seems like we regurgitate this same topic every couple of months I believe his products were banned on ebay due to © infringement as well just as bad the fella selling m.u.l.e cart with the 800s or his now "new" product "multi-cart" with 60 games...blah blah blah Indeed, has sold the 800 with "MULE Cartidge" for $110, and now asking $130. Must be having some success: Atari 800 with MULE ($130): eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110722820604 Atari 800 with 60-game multicart ($90): eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110723660933 Recent completed listings of $110 for 800/MULE eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110717954234 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110719934537 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110721649707 No Kidding. MULE cart is kinda cool. Wish he'd sell just the cart but then he'd get in trouble The system with the 4 joysticks is cool,nice setup for newbie...not sure if it's that profitable after ebay and paypal fees Indeed -- I'm the one selling those M.U.L.E. setups. People ask me all the time if I can sell them multi-carts with games and I tell them no, I can't. I'm including the carts as a bonus, but if this isn't kosher I'll stop doing it. I'm not making a profit. For example, after buying an A800 on eBay for $40, adding the $20 multi-cart, another $40 for the joysticks, and $10 for the cable, you can see it comes to $110. (At least I'm getting the joysticks and carts for cheaper now that I buy them in quantity.) If I have to buy a new keyboard or some other component, I kick up the price a bit. As you point out (with eBay fees and such), it's a losing proposition. That's why it's a hobby rather than a business. I really enjoy tinkering with these old machines (especially the A800, which was my first computer). I don't know how much longer I'll be doing it, but I'm having a good time. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 In before the lock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qix_maniac Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 old news, seems like we regurgitate this same topic every couple of months I believe his products were banned on ebay due to © infringement as well just as bad the fella selling m.u.l.e cart with the 800s or his now "new" product "multi-cart" with 60 games...blah blah blah Indeed, has sold the 800 with "MULE Cartidge" for $110, and now asking $130. Must be having some success: Atari 800 with MULE ($130): eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110722820604 Atari 800 with 60-game multicart ($90): eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110723660933 Recent completed listings of $110 for 800/MULE eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110717954234 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110719934537 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 110721649707 No Kidding. MULE cart is kinda cool. Wish he'd sell just the cart but then he'd get in trouble The system with the 4 joysticks is cool,nice setup for newbie...not sure if it's that profitable after ebay and paypal fees Indeed -- I'm the one selling those M.U.L.E. setups. People ask me all the time if I can sell them multi-carts with games and I tell them no, I can't. I'm including the carts as a bonus, but if this isn't kosher I'll stop doing it. I'm not making a profit. For example, after buying an A800 on eBay for $40, adding the $20 multi-cart, another $40 for the joysticks, and $10 for the cable, you can see it comes to $110. (At least I'm getting the joysticks and carts for cheaper now that I buy them in quantity.) If I have to buy a new keyboard or some other component, I kick up the price a bit. As you point out (with eBay fees and such), it's a losing proposition. That's why it's a hobby rather than a business. I really enjoy tinkering with these old machines (especially the A800, which was my first computer). I don't know how much longer I'll be doing it, but I'm having a good time. Yeah, I actually thought you might be losing money :-) ...I do want one of those MULE carts, maybe we can strike a trade PM me if you have a cart wanted list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloopy Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 can we wait until i get my carts before we tie him to a stake and burn him? /me waits for the thread lock :'/ sloopy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Indeed -- I'm the one selling those M.U.L.E. setups. People ask me all the time if I can sell them multi-carts with games and I tell them no, I can't. I'm including the carts as a bonus, but if this isn't kosher I'll stop doing it. I don't see anything wrong with what you're doing, and I don't see anything wrong with what KJMANN is doing, either. I suppose if a particular copyright owner wanted to complain, I'd understand, but I don't think there are; people who complain are NOT the copyright owners, just complainers. I don't see how selling 30-year-old games (that have no relation whatsoever to the current market) can have any impact on anything, except maybe create some fun for someone who would otherwise never get to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Isn't the MULE image for maxflash carts over on the atarimax forums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I don't see anything wrong with what you're doing, and I don't see anything wrong with what KJMANN is doing, either. I suppose if a particular copyright owner wanted to complain, I'd understand, but I don't think there are; people who complain are NOT the copyright owners, just complainers. I don't see how selling 30-year-old games (that have no relation whatsoever to the current market) can have any impact on anything, except maybe create some fun for someone who would otherwise never get to play. I don't condone selling other people's work w/o permission (especially recent stuff). But what I would LOVE to see is what "freebies" exist in the personal collections of the loud whiners and trouble makers. I have a feeling if that info were public, they might not make so much noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If this is going to be another personal bashing thread, I think I cancel my atari-age-account (if that is possible). Come one people: if you have personal issues with someone, discuss that in private. Do not start this kind of threads. Thanks M. Bashing or legitimate complaint? No you don't "cancel" forum accounts, simply stay away and do not return if you have issues with the board. You could also simply ignore certain posts and even block users you have an issue with, instead of attempting to dictate what can and cannot be posted here. How about simply ignore threads that don't meet with your approval. Exactly. This happens to be about the only thread this week that does interest me. So... where does that put us?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.golden.ax Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 People like Hozer that sell blatant copies of homebrewers efforts, and knock offs that are clearly deceptive for huge profits on eBay to buyers who just don't know any better are the enemy. Compilations of classics are a service. These in-one carts are nothing more than convenience, not gold digging IMHO. AX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumbee74 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 People like Hozer that sell blatant copies of homebrewers efforts, and knock offs that are clearly deceptive for huge profits on eBay to buyers who just don't know any better are the enemy. Compilations of classics are a service. These in-one carts are nothing more than convenience, not gold digging IMHO. AX I agree. I am new to collecting for the atari computers, but I like the in-one carts. It is a huge convenience. I would imagine that if a homebrewer couls just simply ask him to remove their game from his offerings. That seems reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEtalGuy66 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Forgive your brother for his transgressions, and if god wills, you will be forgiven of yours. The reward for this is much greater than anything you could possibly recover in this life. Ramadan Mubarak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svenski Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I'm not going to comment on the content of the carts but when I've dealt with Sal he's been very professional. He has real life issues like everyone else and I doubt very much he's driving a brand new lexus on proceeds of Atari cart sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+orpheuswaking Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 can we wait until i get my carts before we tie him to a stake and burn him? /me waits for the thread lock :'/ sloopy. And my 1200XL top piece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndusGT Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Hmm, I don't know, that Kjmann is simply "pirate"... What a pity... You can read more here: http://atarionline.pl/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1456&page=1#Item_31 (translated version from this link: http://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fatarionline.pl%2Fforum%2Fcomments.php%3FDiscussionID%3D1456%26page%3D1%23Item_31 ) Kjmann (Sal Esquivel) comes here to AtariAge. He sells 'Space Harrier', 'Yoomp', anything he can find and put on a MaxFlash cart. I've heard of him being very slow, and sometimes just plain not delivering items he has received money for. About 'Quad', I never heard of it before. Maybe take this opportunity to introduce us to where it can be purchased legally. Right now, he's moving to Oregon from someplace, so he's probably not going to be available. I would guess he gets very little business. I would say he gets no permission for 99.9999% of the commercial, copyright games he sells. Slow is an understatement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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