MEtalGuy66 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 (edited) Im telling you that the stripe is an ineffective way to indicate whether its plugged in corectly or not.. Theres no standard for which side the stripe goes on. (or not one that has been adhered to in the past).. Its very HARD if you orient the interface the way you showed it in the picture to plug the cable in incorrectly.. You have to twist it.. even if you wrap it under the board and then back around over top, it still ends up with the right conductor corresponding to the right pin.. The way both connectors on that cable are designed, it does not matter which side of the connector the cable enters from, the odd wires will correspond to one row of pins (or one card edge side) and the even wires will correspond to the other.. In order to get this relationship reversed, you actually would have to TWIST THE CABLE.. So as long as your device is physically oriented (in relation to the atari) the way you showed it in the picture, and your cable isnt twisted, it is right. The stripe is not relevant.. Edited August 26, 2013 by MEtalGuy66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari8warez Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 (edited) .The stripe is not relevant.. Yes I've heard you the first time, I am not discussing the relevance of the red stripe, yes it's not relevant BUT it is there, Had you posted the same message you could have perhaps just said, "don't twist the cable and it will work". I just chose saying aligning it this way will make sure that the cable is connected properly without going into lengthy explanations. Edited August 26, 2013 by atari8warez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kogden Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Did anybody try using an IDE to SATA adaptor like this one to use a SATA drive with IDE Plus 2? If so what is your experience? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kogden Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Did anybody try using an IDE to SATA adaptor like this one to use a SATA drive with IDE Plus 2? If so what is your experience? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEtalGuy66 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 What is your opinion on the LED issue, should it light up when there is CF activity? That depends on the CF card (and whatever adaptors you are using) unfortunately. I can tell you that it does light up on access with the notebook drives that I am using. However, the access LED is actually driven by pin 39 of the IDE device, itelf. Some CF cards do this, others don't.. This is from the original IDE standard, so CF manufacturers are under no real pressure to continue it. From my SIDE cart, I can tell you that some (most)CF cards drive the LED, but others dont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Did anybody try using an IDE to SATA adaptor like this one to use a SATA drive with IDE Plus 2? If so what is your experience? Thanks There is limited clearance with the IDE +2.0, even a 2.5" IDE HDD or an IDE to CF adapter is close to the battery, I'm not certain but I believe this adapter would be unable to plug directly into the 44 pin female header due to the offset of the SATA and IDE ports, though it would probably work with a 44 conductor extension cable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumzyman Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Did anybody try using an IDE to SATA adaptor like this one to use a SATA drive with IDE Plus 2? If so what is your experience? Thanks You could skip SATA and go right to mSATA. Just like with the CF cards, they make a 2.5" drive footprint to mSATA drive adapter and it would bolt right up to the IDE+. I haven't tried it myself yet on an 8bit but I do have a 32g mSATA drive and adapter on order that I was going to pair up with an internal IDE mod on one of my ST machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari8warez Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) That depends on the CF card (and whatever adaptors you are using) unfortunately. I can tell you that it does light up on access with the notebook drives that I am using. However, the access LED is actually driven by pin 39 of the IDE device, itelf. Some CF cards do this, others don't.. This is from the original IDE standard, so CF manufacturers are under no real pressure to continue it. From my SIDE cart, I can tell you that some (most)CF cards drive the LED, but others dont. Ok thanks, so it's either CF card or the adaptor related, but giving the LED is ON when I connect my laptop HD it is probably CF card related. Edited August 27, 2013 by atari8warez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari8warez Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 (edited) There is limited clearance with the IDE +2.0, even a 2.5" IDE HDD or an IDE to CF adapter is close to the battery, I'm not certain but I believe this adapter would be unable to plug directly into the 44 pin female header due to the offset of the SATA and IDE ports, though it would probably work with a 44 conductor extension cable. Yes you're right, there is clearance issue with many of the adapters I've seen browsing eBay. That's why, I made, what I can probably call "the first IDE Plus 2 mod". Nothing too fancy, it just involves moving the battery to somewhere else, namely to the solder side of the PCB. Here are the photos. There is not much to it other than being careful while de-soldering the battery and soldering it back. I wasn't able to trace where exactly the pad under the positive leg of the battery is connected, so I chose to simply run a wire from that pad to the back of the PCB. I re-used the via where the negative leg of the battery was originally soldered, only this time i inserted the leg from the solder side of the PCB. This enables me to choose from a greater variety of adapters available. Before anybody chimes in with a suggestion that i would have been better off using a battery holder and I agree, but I guess i'll do that when the battery needs replacement. Edited August 29, 2013 by atari8warez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted August 29, 2013 Author Share Posted August 29, 2013 It is not the first ide+ 2.0 mod! Stephen j carden already put a mod on his site for adding a 40 pin ide port on the interface Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari8warez Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 It is not the first ide+ 2.0 mod! Stephen j carden already put a mod on his site for adding a 40 pin ide port on the interface Sorry I wasn't aware of that, maybe then I can call it the second mod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 It is not the first ide+ 2.0 mod! Stephen j carden already put a mod on his site for adding a 40 pin ide port on the interface It appears to me that the IDE + 2.0 already has a standard 40 conductor pinout, there's just a 2.5" 44 pin right angle adapter board soldered to it. There is also no need for a mod to connect a 40-pin IDE device, a 44-pin male to 40 pin female IDE cable is all that is required, The 3.5" drive would need it's own power supply since it would also require +12V. Cables like this aren't common, but there are companies that deal in specialized items like this: http://www.cablesonline.com/9in44mato40f.html They also have one that would allow connecting both a 2.5" & a 3.5" drive: http://www.cablesonline.com/12in44mato44.html They also sell the ribbon cable and male/female connectors for those wishing to create custom cables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SoulBuster Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Rather than have a physical drive, I bought this and put a 1 gig CF in it http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?ff3=4&pub=5574883395&toolid=10001&campid=5336500554&customid=&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F271253855878%3FssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT%26_trksid%3Dp3984.m1439.l2649 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted September 21, 2013 Author Share Posted September 21, 2013 Just curious... any news about bios updates yet? (To be able to use the new interrupt-Button)... Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simius Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 You have to be patient. Konrad changed flat and has not yet recover himself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 I was looking for a description and perhaps picture of the switches and buttons on the Rev D. Didn't see it in the manual, nor in this thread. Closest I came was post #270 on page 11 in this thread. Is there a better diagram/explanation somewhere? (Even for features not yet supported in the firmware?) -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 What is the end of the 50pin IDE cable called? The one that connects to the board. I need to replace it. I pulled too hard and it came apart. Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEtalGuy66 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) IDE Cables are 40 conductor for desktop drives, and 44 conductor for notebook drives... http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/89140-0101/MKC40A-ND/229698 http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/152244-0100-GB/MSA44A-ND/229770 50 conductor cables are used for SCSI and for PBI connection to an XL computer. The connectors on the end of the cables are known as "dual row IDC crimp connectors" if they plug onto a dual row pin header, and "card-edge IDC crimp conectors" if they plug onto the edge of a board as in the case of the XL PBI connector. http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/89150-0101/MKC50A-ND/229699 http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/3415-0001/MCE50K-ND/138696 Edited December 16, 2013 by MEtalGuy66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simius Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) What is the end of the 50pin IDE cable called? The one that connects to the board. I need to replace it. I pulled too hard and it came apart. Frank http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/101-506/ED10508-ND/2794220 Edited December 16, 2013 by Simius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simius Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I was looking for a description and perhaps picture of the switches and buttons on the Rev D. Didn't see it in the manual, nor in this thread. Closest I came was post #270 on page 11 in this thread. Is there a better diagram/explanation somewhere? (Even for features not yet supported in the firmware?) -Larry How detailed description do you need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 How detailed description do you need? Just "this button/switch is for this function," and if currently implemented or for future use. A picture with numbers 1,2, etc. with a listing below would be really nice, but pretty much anything would be useful. Thanks, Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ripdubski Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Ive read through here piecing together the features of this new board, but am confused a bit. Is there a url for it? Or a full summary of features and requirements? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 Some of the newer features are not working yet, since there is a BIOS update needed. From what I understand is Konrad working on it, but his time is limited and there were a few other reasons why things are not as fast as we are used from him. Even without the extra feature(s) this device is doing very well here on my Atari 8bit. Although I must admit I would love to see them working. Especially the Interrupt button, and the ability to choose another partition or ATR on the fly would please me a lot. But till then, I keep using this interface. It's the only non-serial-I/O based interface that gives max. compatibility on unmodified atari 8bit computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Sorry -- duplicate post. -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 @Larry, Just to share at Post 341 you say the same thing.. http://atariage.com/forums/topic/209784-is-the-ide-plus-20-still-available-not-at-lotharek/?p=2886280 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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