0078265317 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Okay I got a clear head now (was high on the moonshine last night) and I wanted to give my two cents on what the poster was referring to by single button turbo operation. Lots of 3rd party controllers with turbo, especially 3D era and up, have a "Turbo" hotkey. To activate turbo on button X, you press Turbo+X and X gets assigned to some non-adjustable turbo fire rate. Press Turbo+X again to disengage turbo on the button. You can selectively turn turbo on and off for each button independently of each other. And some of the better models allow you to reset all turbo functions by holding down turbo for some predetermined length of time, in case you forgot which buttons were active. For a game like Megaman, you would have it turned on for "B" but not for "A". I've used N64 and Game Cube controllers with a single dedicated button for Turbo. Starting with the PS1 generation, it just wasn't feasible to add eight or more turbo sliders to a controller anymore, and since nearly all controllers for 5th gen and beyond used cheap microcontrollers rather than discrete logic chips, it was much more economical to add a single turbo button as opposed to discrete actuators for every button. A single microcontroller was responsible for handling all the turbo logic as well as the translation logic for sending the buttons or analog stick inputs to the console. The NES Advantage only had two logic chips, a 7404 and a 4021, quite an impressive engineering feat given the added functionality that turbo function provided. Turbo controllers for 16-bit era often had discrete switches for each button, but later on it was much more economical and less confusing to just add a single Turbo hotkey that toggled functionality on and off for each button. See, thanks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE146 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 The turbo button makes you shoot fast, see. You will find it useful for many games such as the NES port of Star Force, which is just one example. Ergo many enemies will fall to your turbo fingers of destiny.. err, death. Hitherto. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8l7fIaEWUY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenomorpher Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Okay I got a clear head now (was high on the moonshine last night) I hope the authorities didn't smell the whiskey burnin' down Copperhead road... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 What does that have to do with anything? It's my top result for a web search on "shinsea hyper stick" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 It's my top result for a web search on "shinsea hyper stick" Yes but that has nothing to do with this topic or the mini. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Yes but that has nothing to do with this topic or the mini.You were using it as an example of a controller that had universal turbo on all buttons. I never heard of it and I suspect not many other people have either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Toysrus is down to 44.99. Still out of stock though. I wonder what the point is if they are out of stock. http://www.toysrus.com/buy/wii/nintendo-entertainment-system-nes-classic-edition-clvsnesa-106283536 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgeld Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 what is the point of posting it if they are still out of stock like the last time you posted a toy's r us sale on it, who cares if it is not available it could be 0$ with a 40$ rebate you can't buy it IMO it sounds like they are playing with your mind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 This thread has now entered.. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) I agree, what's the point of posting about the stock status of retailers when it's out of stock? We all know they're out of stock, so we don't require a notification of it. If you want a suggestion, save the news for when it's actually in stock somewhere, or perhaps create a blog to post this stuff in. Maybe someone's interested and you can still supply this information to anyone that's been following your dates, while the thread itself can be returned to discussion on the unit itself rather than these status updates that haven't gone over very well it seems. Edited December 12, 2016 by Atariboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I was just curious why they keep messing with the price. Target also will have it on their website this 8am today the 12th for 100 dollars. Why are the hiking the price. It should still be 60 everywhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Toysrus is down to 44.99. Still out of stock though. I wonder what the point is if they are out of stock. http://www.toysrus.com/buy/wii/nintendo-entertainment-system-nes-classic-edition-clvsnesa-106283536 Loss leader isn't really a loss leader if they don't sell any... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Loss leader isn't really a loss leader if they don't sell any... You'd be surprised. I bet there were more than a few fools who wandered into TRU searching for this mermaid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Hierophant Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 My brother-in-law obtained one off Craigslist as soon as the launch was over and probably paid only double the MSRP. I had an opportunity to play it this weekend at his house. I liked the controller, it felt pretty good even if had a more plasticky sound. That was about the only aspect of the device I could honestly praise in his presence. The rest was negative between the shortness of the cords, the response latency, the audio inaccuracies, the missing video effects and the screen crawl. I am not sure whether his LG HDTV has any kind of game mode and I didn't get to try the Classic's video settings, but meh. $60 is halfway to a High-Def NES kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 My brother-in-law obtained one off Craigslist as soon as the launch was over and probably paid only double the MSRP. I had an opportunity to play it this weekend at his house. I liked the controller, it felt pretty good even if had a more plasticky sound. That was about the only aspect of the device I could honestly praise in his presence. The rest was negative between the shortness of the cords, the response latency, the audio inaccuracies, the missing video effects and the screen crawl. I am not sure whether his LG HDTV has any kind of game mode and I didn't get to try the Classic's video settings, but meh. $60 is halfway to a High-Def NES kit. HiDef kits and likewise are not for the feint of heart! One could buy an AVS + PowerPak for the prices the Minis sell on eBay though. I plan on getting a Mini after Christmas anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Nintendo president admits to underestimating demand. http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/12/13/nintendo-president-admits-to-underestimating-demand-for-nes-classic-edition/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Nintendo president admits to underestimating demand. http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/12/13/nintendo-president-admits-to-underestimating-demand-for-nes-classic-edition/ Interesting. I'm not sure I completely buy their story, given that this is the same company that gave us "The Great Chip Shortage of '87" and swore up and down that SMB3 was never intended for the NES (while they were making a deal to put the game in a movie). Given that the Classic was announced in JULY, with the deliberate intent of drumming up interest, it just seems absurd to me that Nintendo would fail to capitalize on the demand they spent a lot of time and money creating. Then again... stupider things have happened. It may just be that Nintendo's marketing department really had no clue how well they'd done their job. It may also be that six months wasn't enough time to increase logistics without compromising quality. Possibilities do exist beyond "Nintendo just hates money". This is the part I found particularly interesting: He promises that production will continue until everyone has the games they want, and he also stresses that this release is an important part in Nintendo’s long-term strategy of reaching out to multiple generations. Which does indicate that other plug-and-plays are in the works, or at least being strongly considered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadsilverfox Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 And Nintendo wonders why they are no longer the leaders in the console wars. Bwahahahaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillLoguidice Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Yes, remarkably clueless. It wasn't like it wasn't blindingly obvious even before we knew this existed that something like this would sell boatloads considering what other plug and plays sold. They really need to inject some more new blood into management. They're doing better with the idea side of things, but their execution is still lacking. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Hierophant Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) The Nintendo of 1985 was a bold company, taking a huge risk to reopen the market for console games. The Nintendo of 2016 is a timid creature more afraid of the possibility of unsold inventory than confident of success. This bodes ill for the switch, a far more complex device to manufacture than the NES Classic Edition. People camping outside Gamestop for a week, scalpers selling for $1,200, employees monopolizing the trickle of shipments for a year, trucks getting hijacked by organized crime, the future could make people look back on the NES Classic with rose-tinted glasses. Edited December 14, 2016 by Great Hierophant 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgeld Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) nintendo of 2016 is a company with a decade of being a pain in the ass trying to march to their own drum they missed CD they missed DVD they missed HD we got fog and ram expansions, and a wonky controller we got 4 discs for 1 dvd game and a wonky controller we got motion controls and limited software due to low horsepower we got tablets like 5 years after tablets peaked we got something we wanted, hyped to hell and back like madmen on the internet, and no stock switch? we are promised a already released nvidia gaming device playing last gen games ... let me line up for that Edited December 14, 2016 by Osgeld 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+GoldLeader Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 nintendo of 2016 is a company with a decade of being a pain in the ass trying to march to their own drum they missed CD they missed DVD they missed HD we got fog and ram expansions, and a wonky controller we got 4 discs for 1 dvd game and a wonky controller we got motion controls and limited software due to low horsepower we got tablets like 5 years after tablets peaked we got something we wanted, hyped to hell and back like madmen on the internet, and no stock switch? we are promised a already released nvidia gaming device playing last gen games ... let me line up for that Nintendo should hire a company analyst... I'm thinking Osgeld! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 What's a fog expansion? Technically, they didn't really miss DVD. It just didn't play DVD videos and they went with a mini DVD derivative with lower capacity for their medium. But it's DVD technology through and through. One of the smaller issues that have plagued them in recent decades. Doubt they lost out on many titles due to capacity concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+save2600 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 What's a fog expansion? You combined his verbiage, but might go a little something like this: + = fog expansion. Dishonorable mention of excessive and all too "convenient" use of N64 fog: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgeld Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Technically, they didn't really miss DVD. It just didn't play DVD videos and they went with a mini DVD derivative keep in mind of the time where the PS2 was the biggest selling DVD player at the moment, then fast forward today where when you buy a gamepube copy of tetris its always missing 1 out of 29 (yes I know) mini dvd's 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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