+Saturn Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 You guys do you and what you think is best when releasing your games. = ) I've put in knowing this is testing the water for you guys. Hell yeah, don't change anything for me. If I can get box art that deviates from the norm, just more to make it stand out and be unique in my collection. If you do change it, no big but I'd prefer it the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PikoInteractive Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Hell yeah, don't change anything for me. If I can get box art that deviates from the norm, just more to make it stand out and be unique in my collection. If you do change it, no big but I'd prefer it the way it is. Well I did wanted to use the Jaguar Logo that would be great. However I am a bit wary about doing it and then run into problems. I even considered paying Atari to own the Jaguar TM and Logo, but they over value their IPs 1000 to 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDork3000 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Do they do this full-time? have they released any game on other platforms like Steam? licensed by Nintendo or Xbox/Microsoft? if they only do homebrew releases I understand why they would take the risk. Hasbro opened the Jag to licensed developers in my understanding, if there is anything out there that might prove that it was open to anyone then yeah I would change it. If not, all I would need is a waive of liability form signed by you... (Joke!) I need to look more into it if the logo for unlicensed releases is going to be a problem for Jag community. May be this would be have to be our only release at the end of the day :/. No, pretty sure selling Jaguar/LYNX carts isn't their full time job. Haha, no. I believe as long as you don't slap an Atari logo on your products then you should be golden. The correct logo isn't a deal breaker for me, so don't take it the wrong way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BitJag Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Here is a great article about trademarks. http://www.yospinlaw.com/2015/05/18/can_i_register_or_use_a_dead_trademark/ My interpretation of this info leads me to believe that Atari "owns" the trademark, but because the trademarks aren't active, Atari would be unable to sue anyone. Also, since they have haven't actively protected their logo in 20+ years, they would be hard pressed to get a judge to recognize "damages" caused by a game release by a small company or individual who use/used their logo (unless you started making millions off of ST ports to the Jag). This could change if they re-registered the trademark, and they pursued anyone who used the logo after the trademark had been re-registered. My personal opinion, is that the logo is open game as long as Atari doesn't care about it. And the sleeping bear has not stirred for 20 years over people using a logo for a product that didn't really do much for is image anyways. Feels safe to me. Regardless of what you do, I am glad to support someone who wants to play it safe, if it means more games on the Jag. Thank you for keeping our favorite cat kicking! Sources "Jaguar" trademark - http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=4810:rth2wa.2.1 "Atari Jaguar" trademark - http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4806:egwpwp.5.264 You cannot copyright a logo - http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html#title 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjameslv Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 They are being awesome by releasing a game for the jag and instead of praise we got people complaining about a logo? Seriously? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Can you provide a little more details before I spend my money? Is this a strait ST port or was new features added? Thanks in advance! I am also curious about this. I am assuming its an ST port but we are patiently waiting for verifications one way or the other. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) Every post Atari game, from Telegames, Songbird, Scatologic/4Play with Battlesphere, Reboot, the Another World and Xenon 2 releases all have either the original Jaguar logo or the late era Jaguar logo with the white 'stroke' around it. Combined with the info three posts above, I'm pretty sure you're safe.In fact, with companies that carefully protect their logos, doing one that's slightly derivative but different could raise even more ire. I think the case is a bit moot anyway because (a) Hasbro gave up all rights to Jaguar related things as long as it doesn't have the Atari logo, (b) they haven't chased it in 20 odd years, and © I don't think that the rights to the Jaguar (or anything to do with it) would have been sold on during the half a dozen times the corpse of Atari Corp have changed hands. Yes, they were overly harsh with Minter re: TxK being similar to T2K (they should've been smart and paid him to make games for them forever rather than hitting him with the lawyer hammer), but I can't see them chasing use of a defunct logo for a dead system that they washed their hands of years ago. Especially over games that might sell only a couple of hundred copies. I'm no lawyer, but this is the line I focus on : " Hasbro Interactive cautioned, however, that the developers should not use the Atari trademark or logo in connection with their games or present the games as authorized or approved by Hasbro Interactive." The Atari logo not the Jaguar logo would be a problem. The Jaguar logo shouldn't be a problem (e.g. in addition to the games I mentioned, people have been selling their own printed Jaguar tees and hoodies on eBay for years).Edit: And this line: " it has released all rights that it may have to the vintage Atari hardware platform, the Jaguar." ALL rights. They were considering it a vintage platform in 1999. It was more hassle to them than it was worth due to the 'community' bothering them a bit (IIRC). I don't even think one could purchase the logo from anyone these days, it's not owned by anyone as far as I can tell. Owning it would cost more than it would be worth in chasing up the small amounts of 'unauthorised use'. Edited October 5, 2016 by skip 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 They are being awesome by releasing a game for the jag and instead of praise we got people complaining about a logo? Seriously? Welcome to the nuthouse. We get all kinds here. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stage_1_Boss Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Welcome to the nuthouse. We get all kinds here. I'm a kind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+af0l Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I'm whipping up some Jaguar logo stickers for sale on evilbay. $40 seems a steal, right? Oh, and $60 for the matching one with Atari logo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantis Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 If you're a commercial company, you should take the safe road and not use the logo:"Hasbro Interactive cautioned, however, that the developers should not use the Atari trademark or logo in connection with their games or present the games as authorized or approved by Hasbro Interactive."It's different when it comes to private indie games, but why take a risk that could break you even if it's a slim risk? The box art is great anyway, keep your own logo and one less problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDork3000 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I am also curious about this. I am assuming its an ST port but we are patiently waiting for verifications one way or the other. Thanks! The question has be avoided 4 times now, so I guess it's safe to say that this is just a strait port with nothing new added at all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAVE 1 GAMES Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 The Jaguar logo is open for use without using the Atari fuji logo. It has been ever since hasbro declared the system open for development. This will not be an issue however I wouldn't go knocking on Atari Casino's door asking them ANY questions about it because that could create new problems for future Jaguar developers. If you don't feel safe using it, use your own logo. But I wouldn't draw any more attention to it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PikoInteractive Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Ok I think we will safe to change the logo checked with my legal adviser. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 K, so you are using the homebrew logo, or the official one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Dangerous Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) Try before you buy: http://atari.8bitchip.info/fromhd.php?s=n#DL If you have an ST Going to give it a run tonight to drum up some interest amongst myself...lol. Edited October 5, 2016 by travistouchdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PikoInteractive Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 K, so you are using the homebrew logo, or the official one? Official one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitari Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Ordered! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Has anyone tried their 'Questforge, by order of the Kings' for the NES yet? I think I might pick that up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Saturn Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Try before you buy: http://atari.8bitchip.info/fromhd.php?s=n#DL If you have an ST Going to give it a run tonight to drum up some interest amongst myself...lol. I'm playing it in Hatari with infinite shields. Don't know what the goal is after a whole 2 minutes and 13 seconds of play but I'll figure it out eventually 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) Welcome to the nuthouse. We get all kinds here. Oi, I'm nuts in my own way - got nothing to do with the Jaguar. I'm pretty much middle of the pack when it comes to Jaguar owners though, I have been happily mediocre for pretty much the entire 23 years of online Jaguar related discussion ;P (although to this day I still don't know why I got a mention in the official spiel about Mad Bodies...seriously) Edited October 6, 2016 by skip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredifredo Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Too expensive for me ! Question : PAL/NTSC tests done for this product ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) The question has be avoided 4 times now, so I guess it's safe to say that this is just a strait port with nothing new added at all. That's fine. I am going to order this and probably an NES game from them. However in the future they will have to leave these sort of Jaguar ports behind to get my support. Edited October 7, 2016 by JagChris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PikoInteractive Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Is first release, initial investment was big with high risk. But this (we need 150 copies sold to keep working on Jaguar) release will be the most expensive one we will ever do. On snes we started at 65 then we have been coming down slowly every year, same for Genesis =) It was originally tested on PAL and NTSC. However im waiting on a new proto to arrive on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Does this have full sound fx/music? A video would be helpful if possible. I'm always happy to support the scene, but would like to know what I'm getting into. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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