Nintendo Switch

[roland p]

I'm glad it uses cartridges. It just feels better to me to actually own (as in, the right to play a game) a game instead of registering somewhere that you own a game.

I'm glad it used cartridges. It just feels better to me to actually own (as in, the right to play a game) a game instead of registering somewhere that you own a game.

Edited January 8, 2017 by roland p

[BillLoguidice]

I'm glad it used cartridges. It just feels better to me to actually own (as in, the right to play a game) a game instead of registering somewhere that you own a game.

 

Maybe. We'll see what patches/check-ins will ultimately be required. It's still too early to say whether the game cartridges will truly be self-contained.

[Osgeld]

carts or not, the perceived enemy for a number of years has been second hand sales

 

if you have a cart with UUID xyz and you need a clown, er cloud login it might as well be a direct download

[Gentlegamer]

I was referring to the new Doom, that came out on the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 last year. Oh, my bad... apparently they spell the new one as "DOOM", with all caps for edginess or some such.

 

NuDOOM

[Punisher5.0]

carts or not, the perceived enemy for a number of years has been second hand sales

 

That thinking annoys the hell out of me. Greedy controls freaks came up with that. Imagine if the auto or housing industry went this way.

[Atariboy]

Sadly, even at AtariAge there's a vocal supporter or two that insists that 2nd hand sales are tantamount to stealing.

[Schizophretard]

Sadly, even at AtariAge there's a vocal supporter or two that insists that 2nd hand sales are tantamount to stealing.

 

Then there are those on the other end like myself that don't even consider intellectual property a legitimate form of property at all. So, I guess that makes AtariAge like Fox News, fair and balanced.

[godslabrat]

That thinking annoys the hell out of me. Greedy controls freaks came up with that. Imagine if the auto or housing industry went this way.

I've never understood that. If I buy a house, and resell it, the builder doesn't get a cut of the second sale. Nor does an auto maker get a cut of used car sales. Nor does a clothing manufacturer get a cut of Goodwill's action. Books, CDs, tapes, and any other media you can think of are resold without the original manufacturer getting a second cut. Why, exactly, does software have to play by different rules? What is so special about software that the industry thinks it can revamp basic property laws going back to the Twelve Tables?

 

That's the question I want answered. I see everything else as details.

[Gentlegamer]

 

Then there are those on the other end like myself that don't even consider intellectual property a legitimate form of property at all. So, I guess that makes AtariAge like Fox News, fair and balanced.

 

I like you.

 

Intellectual property, doesn't exist, it is a legal fiction that exists to encourage innovations in the arts and sciences to flow into the public domain.

[Keatah]

I rather see it as..

 

Intellectual property doesn't exist. It is a legal fiction designed to prevent innovations in the arts and sciences from flowing into the public domain and to maximize profits for rights holders.

[jhd]

Books, CDs, tapes, and any other media you can think of are resold without the original manufacturer getting a second cut.

 

I have actually seen a few (rare) examples where books were "licensed" or rented rather than sold outright. At the end of the term, the books were to be returned to the publisher for proper destruction. Such volumes are consequently very rare today.

 

I am talking about specialized business publications, such as the R. G. Dun credit reports (https://www.library.hbs.edu/content/download/46657/637343/version/1/file/Selective+list+of+D_B+bibliographical+sources_2016.pdf), not mass-market or popular titles.

 

 

 

If I buy a house, and resell it, the builder doesn't get a cut of the second sale.

 

There are some condominium developments that restrict the purchaser's right of resale of a unit; it has to be sold back to the original developer (or condo board) rather than placed on the open market.

[Andromeda Stardust]

I've never understood that. If I buy a house, and resell it, the builder doesn't get a cut of the second sale. Nor does an auto maker get a cut of used car sales. Nor does a clothing manufacturer get a cut of Goodwill's action. Books, CDs, tapes, and any other media you can think of are resold without the original manufacturer getting a second cut. Why, exactly, does software have to play by different rules? What is so special about software that the industry thinks it can revamp basic property laws going back to the Twelve Tables?

 

That's the question I want answered. I see everything else as details.

First sale doctrine does not apply to virtual goods it seems, and DCMA supports this notion. Ever read the TOS on PSN or XBLA or Nintendo eShop? Android or iOS/iTunes? It makes it very clear you are not purchasing the content, only a single, non-transferable license to use it on a single device, for as long as the content provider decides its service should exist. And they can revoke your license or terminate services at any time they like. Case in point, Amazon once deleted copies of George Orwell's 1984 off users' Kindles without their authorization or consent. Oh, the irony! The corporations own and control everything. You, as the consumer, basically have zero rights when it comes to what you can do with your their stuff.

[godslabrat]

Yes but... why? What makes software this unique and special product, different from all others in recorded history?

[Andromeda Stardust]

Yes but... why? What makes software this unique and special product, different from all others in recorded history?

Lack of a physical medium. If an item only exists as bits on a hard drive, does it truly exist?

 

I can resell a book. I can resell a vinyl record. I can resell a DVD. I can resell an Atari game. I can resell a device. But how do I resell "digital content?"

 

I can't.

 

[Schizophretard]

Yes but... why? What makes software this unique and special product, different from all others in recorded history?

 

Easier to copy makes it harder for them to control.

[Gentlegamer]

Lack of a physical medium. If an item only exists as bits on a hard drive, does it truly exist?

 

I can resell a book. I can resell a vinyl record. I can resell a DVD. I can resell an Atari game. I can resell a device. But how do I resell "digital content?"

 

I can't.

 

 

You can, but then you would be making an unauthorized copy (unless you sell your hard drive or the account the software is attached to).

 

This is why I don't purchase digital content with DRM, except for Steam, where I pay pennies on the dollar (thanks Humble Bundle!) and on the PC platform where if something goes fishy with the DRM I can easily obtain cracks for my purchased software.

[toiletunes]

Because they can, and because we let them. Business looks for new ways to make money, consumers decide to buy (or not). I vaguely remember 'limited use' DVDs that were good for five plays, then you had to renew the license or throw it away. They never caught on. For whatever reason, digital downloads caught on, and here we are- until some entrepreneur corners the market with cartridges.

[Andromeda Stardust]

until some entrepreneur corners the market with cartridges.

Nintendo Switch uses carts!

[Flojomojo]

Nintendo Switch details drop TOMORROW NIGHT, my DRM-hating, mushroom-stomping homies!

[godslabrat]

Nintendo Switch details drop TONIGHT, my DRM-hating, mushroom-stomping homies!

I truly can't express how excited I am for this.

[Flojomojo]

I truly can't express how excited I am for this.

 

I think I like reading about games more than actually playing them nowadays. Sooooo oooooold!

[Keatah]

I think I like setting up emulators more than playing the games. Older than old!

[Flojomojo]

I think I like setting up emulators more than playing the games. Older than old!

That's fun too. Especially while thinking about how much all this would have cost in days of yore.

[tpugmire]

I thought the reveal was tomorrow night. Did I miss something?

[godslabrat]

I think I like reading about games more than actually playing them nowadays. Sooooo oooooold!

It's not that I like it more, I'm just more likely to find time to do it!