Andromeda Stardust Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 If so, I hope it's an option - not the default. Reaching over to pick up another controller while in game, doesn't strike me as being too desirable. Midnight Magic plays perfectly fine with one controller and have to admit Bumper Bash rarely ever gets played due to its controller config. No issues playing it on this: My 2600 ambidextrous arcade joystick has independent fire buttons wired for 7800 use, although few games give an opportunity to utilize both of them at once since simultaneous usage with joystick is difficult. Buttons only in pinball mode; joystick only in video mode. Gives me an excuse to utilize a feature built in that I otherwise couldn't effectively use! Pinball mode: Right Fire = Right flipper; Left Fire = Left Flipper. Video: Joystick = Control Pacman. Even a standard asymmetric arcade controller layout would be easy to switch hands between joystick and buttons. I suppose it could allow joystick usage for Midnight Magic type layout as well for single button joysticks (left flipper = joyleft; right flipper = joyright; down = both) but that is a poor layout for pinball IMO. Might use a difficulty switch or option menu to configure the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Of course Bob is not putting a freaking pinball table in everyones room to play that part of the game. But he is going to do one hell of a job on the virtual 7800 pinball portion of the game. How do I know this? Well I have a case of his games and I know the level of detail he puts into things like physics,AI,gameplay, etc. 7800 has more than enough horsepower to do it, pretty much the same CPU and clock speed the NES used. Quite effective ports of Pinbot and High Speed were released on NES with excellent physics, well except for the addition of ball gobblers, heliocopters, other random hazards, goofy ball shapes, and bonus screens... Only Baby Pacman was one of the few arcade pinballs with a bonus video mode baked in! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+groundtrooper Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Depending on what Bob decides to do control the flippers, if he goes the joystick direction route I think I would just use this. Or a possibly a Track & Field Controller. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SpiceWare Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 But keep the snarky demands to yourself. That didn't come across as snarky to me, from experience that came across as somebody excited about the project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Depending on what Bob decides to do control the flippers, if he goes the joystick direction route I think I would just use this. Starplex.jpg Or a possibly a Track & Field Controller. Great idea. I love the Starplex layout, however that might be awkward playing it on the maze portions of the game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+groundtrooper Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Great idea. I love the Starplex layout, however that might be awkward playing it on the maze portions of the game... [emoji14]Ha ha. What a dummy I am. Ya that would not be very fun. I already suck at the maze clearing with a joystick the Starplex would be like enabling an expert difficulty mode via a controller. Ok I retract my previous stupid comment. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Kai Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 I was going to point out, do some of you guys really plan on swapping controllers during the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+sramirez2008 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 I plan on using my Edladdin Supreme 78: All-Play 4/8. The center mounted joystick and pair of buttons on each side, should work well with this type of game. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 How about having it be 2 player alternating with standard joystick controls in the maze portion with support for a second controller to use left and right to trigger flippers in the other port. This way, you could keep a track n field controller or starplex..or whatever in the other and just move to it when you do the pinball section. Wouldn't have to be required, could just be another thing to add to it for more versatility. This way second player just uses the same controls if they want to as player 1 with them alternating. No different then it would be on the actual arcade cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+sramirez2008 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 How about having it be 2 player alternating with standard joystick controls in the maze portion with support for a second controller to use left and right to trigger flippers in the other port. This way, you could keep a track n field controller or starplex..or whatever in the other and just move to it when you do the pinball section. Wouldn't have to be required, could just be another thing to add to it for more versatility. This way second player just uses the same controls if they want to as player 1 with them alternating. No different then it would be on the actual arcade cab. This would be cool. I have to admit that I have not been this excited about a new Pac-Man game in a long time. Really...really looking forward to this release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted May 29, 2018 Author Share Posted May 29, 2018 Guys - I am implementing the pinball controls as I stated above. Thanks for the kind words. Also, AtariBoy2600 and I go way back - I don't believe his comments were snarky. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariBrian Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 By this Friday Kosmic will be starting the he wants a cart is the game ready posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 By this Friday Kosmic will be starting the he wants a cart is the game ready posts No thats Stun Runner.. He wants it now!!Have not seen that guy on here for a couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) First attempt at the Pinball playfield... I don't think I'm going to do the other graphics like the baby, monsters, fruits, etc. I could use the colors, tile space, etc. But remember, this is going to be in 160A mode, so it will be stretched wider than shown here. Edited May 30, 2018 by PacManPlus 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goochman Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 My vote would be to maybe add a ghost or two and maybe a baby pac to the pinball table - it doesnt need to look like the arcade but its pretty sparse right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeguychicago Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) Considering the resolution you have to work with, they playfield looks great. It still retains all the elements of the original even if you loose a bit in the translation. Edited May 30, 2018 by bikeguychicago 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Kai Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 I prefer functionality as a priority if it means sacrificing some decorative sprites. Graphically, if there was a wishlist I would like a good pinball, sized to scale. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legeek Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Hi! Hope I'm not stepping on any toes, but I couldn't help tinkering with the pinball mock up I'm not sure how feasible these are. I've kept them simple and used colors from the 7800 palette. I guess they are in order of feasibility? It looked like you could keep the same layout, but change the colors to match the arcade machine... Then maybe you could add a few characters to the top where the ball does not go... And finally, you could add Mr. and Ms. Pac to the bottom, but they might be too big, or you might need a spot for score, etc. Cheers, Ben 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goochman Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 legeek - I like the last table you put there. Even if the scores "overlaid" the graphics I think a few trinket pictures help alot. I know they dont do anything, but visually make a world of difference IMHO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I believe the pinball table looks the way it does with the colors it does because of the specific video mode that PMP is using for this game. It has limits on how many colors can be used on a single scan line and only specific colors from a pallet. So not sure how much more detail PMP is able to put into the table portion. I could be wrong, but I believe that to be the case... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legeek Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) I believe the pinball table looks the way it does with the colors it does because of the specific video mode that PMP is using for this game. It has limits on how many colors can be used on a single scan line and only specific colors from a pallet. So not sure how much more detail PMP is able to put into the table portion. I could be wrong, but I believe that to be the case... Yeah, I may have too many colors in there, particularly at the top... EDIT: And my grid might be wrong Edited June 1, 2018 by legeek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Bob has a long and prolific history of quality 7800 games. While I don't own everything, I do want this once available. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+swlovinist Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Cant wait to play this on cart. So glad to have you back Bob! You make the best games. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 Ok, so I had to make some slight changes to the colors. Thank you VERY much for the little additions, legeek. This is the one I'm going with. BTW, yes, the grid was wrong, as I need to center a single tile (so I will offset the left-hand side by a few pixels - no biggie). 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Wow that looks great!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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