Intellivision Amico’s trademark changed to ‘abandoned’

[Cebus Capucinis]

13 minutes ago, Rev said:

All I know is that J Allard had no material role.  

Which in legal speak explicitly MEANS he made no meaningful contribution. I'm not getting into the hair splitting Clinton-esque meaning of words arguments, however, so I'm not saying more than this.

 

[Rev]

56 minutes ago, Cebus Capucinis said:

Which in legal speak explicitly MEANS he made no meaningful contribution. I'm not getting into the hair splitting Clinton-esque meaning of words arguments, however, so I'm not saying more than this.

 

Im done on J Allard topic too. We all know the truth, he played no material role there other than a big name to snag uninformed investors.   

[+Lathe26]

1 hour ago, Rev said:

All I know is that J Allard had no material role.  

 

? 'cause we are living in a material world,

and J has no material role ??

 

 

[atarifan88]

On 7/13/2022 at 12:52 PM, Razzie.P said:

A part of me believes that the people who bought those could be sitting on a nice little investment collectible, which is cool.

I can't imagine a box without a game is a collectible.  If it is, I've got something to sell ya! ?

 

 

Edited July 15, 2022 by atarifan88

[mr_me]

38 minutes ago, Rev said:

Im done on J Allard topic too. We all know the truth, he played no material role there other than a big name to snag uninformed investors.   

Well even though it was late during Amico development, Allard looked at the product, the company, the management, and did decide to join the company and have his name part of it, and then make his contributions over the several months he was there.  It's not easy to come out of retirement and change your life.

[Razzie.P]

13 hours ago, MrBeefy said:

I think it is just certain games and I don't really recall seeing it much on the Switch. I feel like it was the Wii and NDS that I remember seeing that.

 

If you want to do something outside you can come help weed my garden.

 

A small run of rain has made the weeds grow like weeds. They are so thick in the watermelon plants that a cute baby bunny was "nesting" in there until it got hit with the hose water. The cute sucker was less than 3 feet from me and didn't move until the water hit it. It will be interesting to see if it's hanging around tomorrow morning.

 

But anyways, if you come help me finish I will provide a brewski and grill some meats for the help.

 

*edit: or go fishing ? 

I’d be all about hanging with a fellow AA user and helping at with the chores, but man, me and yardwork are really at odds this summer.   I’m talking like one of those bitter hate/hate things like Batman/Robin, Mario/Bowser, MrBeefy/Tommy Tallarico  etc etc

 

I’ve always hired a landscaping crew take care of my property, but they’re no longer in business this year, so I decided I’d do it myself.  Maintaining a lot of acreage has given me some sort of yardwork PTSD, I think 
 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, ashtonm said:

Typical deflection...we're all on a forum here. What are forums for? hmm...

Different purposes for different users, I’d imagine.  Anyways, welcome back!

 

 

1 hour ago, atarifan88 said:

I can't imagine a box without a game is a collectible.  If it is, I've got something to sell ya! ?

 

 

Eh, I’d like to agree with that, because I personally feel they’re worthless without the game, but I think the branding and circumstances of the thing is the true value for collectors.

If someone came out today and discovered that Nintendo had done the same thing -- released a very small run of 8 titles prior to the console even launching, but there was no cart in the box, just paperwork and trinkets for some dumb reason, you don’t think collectors would throw some major$$$ at sealed copies of those?  I know this is not shaping up to be a “Nintendo,” but it could have the benefit of appealing to legit Intellivision fans who want it all for their collection, fans of any of the podcasts/youtube channels that thrive on covering it, or just people who want memorabilia from what is arguably shaping up to be one of the biggest fiascos in video game history.

If you have something like that to sell me, I probably can't afford it.  ☹️
 

Only time will tell, of course, but for the fans who bought them, I hope that turns out to be the case so at least they got something neat for their dollars.

[ashtonm]

I think they are collectable because, if the system never does come out, it's a reminder of a failed system...where they sold games before the system was created and the system never delivered.

 

That in my mind makes them kind of a cool collectable. However, they were pretty expensive. More than I was willing to shell out for what could be an interesting piece of history.

 

Honestly I was pretty disappointed in what was provided. I would have liked a nice color manual (even if it was only a few pages). And they should have made a replica cartridge (actual cartridge shape, not just a card) which had the RFID in it...just like a Nintendo Amibo. Or even a figurine for some of the games.

 

But I know they didn't have a ton of money and they took a lot of short cuts on it.

[MrBeefy]

39 minutes ago, Razzie.P said:

I’d be all about hanging with a fellow AA user and helping at with the chores, but man, me and yardwork are really at odds this summer.   I’m talking like one of those bitter hate/hate things like Batman/Robin, Mario/Bowser, MrBeefy/Tommy Tallarico  etc etc

 

I’ve always hired a landscaping crew take care of my property, but they’re no longer in business this year, so I decided I’d do it myself.  Maintaining a lot of acreage has given me some sort of yardwork PTSD, I think 
 

Different purposes for different users, I’d imagine.  Anyways, welcome back!

 

Eh, I’d like to agree with that, because I personally feel they’re worthless without the game, but I think the branding and circumstances of the thing is the true value for collectors.

If someone came out today and discovered that Nintendo had done the same thing -- released a very small run of 8 titles prior to the console even launching, but there was no cart in the box, just paperwork and trinkets for some dumb reason, you don’t think collectors would throw some major$$$ at sealed copies of those?  I know this is not shaping up to be a “Nintendo,” but it could have the benefit of appealing to legit Intellivision fans who want it all for their collection, fans of any of the podcasts/youtube channels that thrive on covering it, or just people who want memorabilia from what is arguably shaping up to be one of the biggest fiascos in video game history.

If you have something like that to sell me, I probably can't afford it.  ☹️
 

Only time will tell, of course, but for the fans who bought them, I hope that turns out to be the case so at least they got something neat for their dollars.

Ha you are lucky the garden and other yard work is done!

 

I'm not grilling anymore as the wife insisted on making pesto with homegrown basil to put on a sub sandwich.

 

To cool down we've also been drinking cucumber water with cucumbers from the garden.

 

 

If you come over we can play some couch co-op on the porn machine.

 

Also lol at the Batman/Robin comment.

[ColecoGamer]

16 hours ago, jerseystyle said:

Such a weird comment. We can continue to shame the thieves who lied and stole money. We can post funny jokes about the Amico cult who are still trying to control the conversation. We can make jokes at the expense of people who still think it’s gonna outsell the Switch. Hell, I haven’t even unleashed my TPB meme maelstrom yet (did it for VCS but they won’t allow it for Amico). Why are you trying to dictate what people can or can’t say about the Amico or the idiots who ran it into the ground? I mean, people still write books about things that happened a long time ago, you know. That’s like saying we shouldn’t talk about the Coleco Chameleon.

I was speaking to the people who keep discussing the console, like its still coming out. The Amico - in its current form - will never see the light of day on retail shelves. I’m not the controlling type, but nice try anyway. ?

[MrBeefy]

3 minutes ago, ashtonm said:

I think they are collectable because, if the system never does come out, it's a reminder of a failed system...where they sold games before the system was created and the system never delivered.

 

That in my mind makes them kind of a cool collectable. However, they were pretty expensive. More than I was willing to shell out for what could be an interesting piece of history.

 

Honestly I was pretty disappointed in what was provided. I would have liked a nice color manual (even if it was only a few pages). And they should have made a replica cartridge (actual cartridge shape, not just a card) which had the RFID in it...just like a Nintendo Amibo. Or even a figurine for some of the games.

 

But I know they didn't have a ton of money and they took a lot of short cuts on it.

Well and they kept walking back their claims. First it would have physical games, then physical media, then physical product.

 

I'm sure at some point peoe will see some collector value. However, most the people who would care probably already have them too. I wish I could say I'm surprised they took money from people knowing the console wasn't coming out anytime soon.

[ashtonm]

I personally think everyone is disappointed it didn't come out (well, I guess we are still in the didn't come out yet). While I was not particularly impressed with the first line of games, I think over time it could have had some cool games. I still would have gotten it after following it so long. I was kind of happy to get a founders after so many people dropped out...but then it really took a dive and I decided to get my money back finally. Luckily I was able to after some craziness. But sounds like quite a few people still have not gotten their money back.

 

I feel somewhat bad for the investors. I think the initial investors were not making a great decision (the investment details looked like a bad deal). But at that time I thought it would come out. Any investment after they delayed I think was just pretty poor decision making. But unfortunately people are suckered by these types of things. 

 

I do think many people are complicit in pushing this system and going along with what was pretty clear lies. If that influenced people to invest, they should feel bad about doing that.

 

Still, this system actually did appeal to me. I'm an arcade style gamer with small kids and primarily play simple pick up and play games at this point of my life. However, I feel like I am in a group of a very small amount of people...this system always seemed like a very niche system to me. And I think it would have done better if it would have just stuck to retro-reimagined and included cartoon style violent games like classic beat em ups. The new Turtles game on the switch and other systems is awesome. They could have created some cool retro reimagined and included family friendly games. Limiting themselves to me was a mistake. That's why Nintendo has loosened up on being strictly family friendly and why they are doing better after that.

[digdugnate]

1 hour ago, mr_me said:

Well even though it was late during Amico development, Allard looked at the product, the company, the management, and did decide to join the company and have his name part of it, and then make his contributions over the several months he was there.  It's not easy to come out of retirement and change your life.

What contributions specifically did J. Allard make?

[ashtonm]

1 minute ago, digdugnate said:

What contributions specifically did J. Allard make?

My impressions from that timeframe is he probably didn't see eye to eye with TT. Decided not to follow through with being part of the team. And it appeared to only last a very short timeframe. So I can't see how he provided much help. All of this is speculation though. Probably didn't think it was a good fit.

[ashtonm]

21 minutes ago, MrBeefy said:

Well and they kept walking back their claims. First it would have physical games, then physical media, then physical product.

 

I'm sure at some point peoe will see some collector value. However, most the people who would care probably already have them too. I wish I could say I'm surprised they took money from people knowing the console wasn't coming out anytime soon.

Yeah, I got the impression it was going to be more than what it became. I would guess they cut corners to get it done as cheaply as possible. It's something, but in my opinion those should have been $5 each for what it became. They wouldn't have been able to make enough of them to sell them at $5. So maybe $10 would have been more reasonable. But $20...yikes. This coming from a guy that wastes money on quite a few things.

[rayik]

2 hours ago, mr_me said:

Well even though it was late during Amico development, Allard looked at the product, the company, the management, and did decide to join the company and have his name part of it, and then make his contributions over the several months he was there.  It's not easy to come out of retirement and change your life.

“Then make his contributions over the several months he was there”

 

Not including any assumptions or guesses that we come up with, what exactly did IE say he did?

Good luck finding that.  IE never said what his “contribution” was.  The only official statement was that their “Global Management Director” made “ no significant contribution “ to the project. 
 

I’m done on this subject.

 

Edited July 15, 2022 by rayik

[number6]

1 hour ago, Razzie.P said:

Eh, I’d like to agree with that, because I personally feel they’re worthless without the game, but I think the branding and circumstances of the thing is the true value for collectors.

If someone came out today and discovered that Nintendo had done the same thing -- released a very small run of 8 titles prior to the console even launching, but there was no cart in the box, just paperwork and trinkets for some dumb reason, you don’t think collectors would throw some major$$$ at sealed copies of those?  

I'll confirm this is not unique to Intellivision and yes, the fans/collectors will buy such packages.

An Amiga seller/distributor constructed what they called an "AAABundle" which was meant to become meaningful with the release of h/w.

See the pretty box?

Long story short. The computer announced in 2015 is still not available for general sale, but people flocked to buy out the associated collectible package referred to along with the right to be a member of a rather special club.

Granted Amiga is special this way given legal wranglings nonstop since 1994, but it does illustrate a similar track taken.

 

#6

[mr_me]

54 minutes ago, digdugnate said:

What contributions specifically did J. Allard make?

Nobody believes what they say, but UI was one of the things I remember them saying.

 

22 minutes ago, rayik said:

“Then make his contributions over the several months he was there”

 

Not including any assumptions or guesses that we come up with, what exactly did IE say he did?

Good luck finding that.  IE never said what his “contribution” was.  The only official statement was that their “Global Management Director” made “ no significant contribution “ to the project. 
 

I’m done on this topic. 

 

Do you think Allard is the type of person to spend several months full-time with a company and do nothing.

 

And they didn't say he made no significant contribution.  This is what they said in response to a question from SEC concerned about the development of the product without him.

 

"during that time, Mr. Allard served as a full-time advisor to Intellivision, helping Intellivision in the final stages of Amico hardware development", "after this work of his was completed, Mr. Allard ceased serving as a full-time advisor, but has remained available to give advice when contacted by Intellivision", "Considering his contributions overall, Mr. Allard has not played a material role in Amico product development." 

 

46 minutes ago, ashtonm said:

Yeah, I got the impression it was going to be more than what it became. I would guess they cut corners to get it done as cheaply as possible. It's something, but in my opinion those should have been $5 each for what it became. They wouldn't have been able to make enough of them to sell them at $5. So maybe $10 would have been more reasonable. But $20...yikes. This coming from a guy that wastes money on quite a few things.

Well the digital versions of the games would sell for $5 to $10.  Twenty dollars are retail prices so there's several costs in there.  Whether it's of value to people is another matter.

Edited July 15, 2022 by mr_me

[Rev]

Does anyone know if I.E. is still shipping the 8 pack of gift card games?  If I order a pack will it actually ship? 

[Cebus Capucinis]

13 minutes ago, Rev said:

Does anyone know if I.E. is still shipping the 8 pack of gift card games?  If I order a pack will it actually ship? 

I bet if it doesn't you won't be able to get a refund! ???

[MrBeefy]

20 minutes ago, ashtonm said:

I personally think everyone is disappointed it didn't come out (well, I guess we are still in the didn't come out yet). While I was not particularly impressed with the first line of games, I think over time it could have had some cool games.

I liked it for it being a cheap simple game console. With having a young kid I loved the idea of a Baby Beef's first console type thing. 

 

I have worked with kids who do play games unhealthy and liked the idea of them being smaller/more arcade like. Really something like this in the $150-$180 range could find a niche. 

 

It would not be a disruptor or anything. And they screwed the pooch by making it the Homer car.

 

While it is way overpriced for what it is I still wish it would come out and maybe be successful enough for them to go back to do it again but correctly. That's a stretch and will most likely never happen in terms of being successful or them trying again.

[Rev]

4 minutes ago, Cebus Capucinis said:

I bet if it doesn't you won't be able to get a refund! ???

Would it be covered on Paypal right?   I got rid of the empty boxes when I cancelled the Founders Edition.  Been pondering getting again as a momento of the friends Ive made along the way. ??

[Rev]

1 minute ago, MrBeefy said:

I liked it for it being a cheap simple game console. With having a young kid I loved the idea of a Baby Beef's first console type thing. 

 

I have worked with kids who do play games unhealthy and liked the idea of them being smaller/more arcade like. Really something like this in the $150-$180 range could find a niche. 

 

It would not be a disruptor or anything. And they screwed the pooch by making it the Homer car.

 

While it is way overpriced for what it is I still wish it would come out and maybe be successful enough for them to go back to do it again but correctly. That's a stretch and will most likely never happen in terms of being successful or them trying again.

Yep, Homer car exactly. 
 

A simple white normal console, not having controllers sitting in it. And USB Xbox style controllers. 99% of amico games can use xbox controller and even Granny could use an xbox controller.  That stuff about modern controllers being too hard was made up.

[MrBeefy]

23 minutes ago, Rev said:

Does anyone know if I.E. is still shipping the 8 pack of gift card games?  If I order a pack will it actually ship? 

I'm sure they would be more than happy to take your money. 

1 hour ago, digdugnate said:

What contributions specifically did J. Allard make?

He Globally Managed the fight against Thanos duh. He's an Avenger after all.

 

I bet when he got a peek at the shitshow behind the curtains he noped right out of there. Remember when he held an Xbox controller upside down to troll some dudes on YT?

 

[roots.genoa]

3 hours ago, mr_me said:

Well even though it was late during Amico development, Allard looked at the product, the company, the management, and did decide to join the company and have his name part of it, and then make his contributions over the several months he was there.  It's not easy to come out of retirement and change your life.

I don't know when he started precisely, but it was announced on May 14th. He was introduced as "global managing director" which sounds like someone who would have a material role, but whatever. We don't know precisely when he left, but it was "during Summer", and he doesn't appear in the August 5th event, which was probably recorded at least a few days in advance.

 

So "several months" doesn't seem accurate. Weeks, not months™️ sounds better.

[Matt_B]

6 hours ago, mr_me said:

By the time he got there the console was mostly developed.

??????

 

Oh, come on. It's been 'mostly developed' for the past two years. They're just not going to get rid of that troubling 'mostly' any time soon and I dare say that's why he left.