pcrow Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 6 minutes ago, zzip said: I think so, since the Bruce Lee game shows up in the trailer. They might not be able to call it "Bruce Lee" for trademark reasons. That's the assumption I think everyone is making. But I wonder what went wrong with the original licensing agreement. Maybe it was for specific platforms, and since this is an emulator, they're afraid the lawyers will consider it a new platform? Or maybe there was a time limit on the agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jfcatari Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Blue Max and Blue Max 2001 Rule! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 6 minutes ago, pcrow said: That's the assumption I think everyone is making. But I wonder what went wrong with the original licensing agreement. Maybe it was for specific platforms, and since this is an emulator, they're afraid the lawyers will consider it a new platform? Or maybe there was a time limit on the agreement. Yeah who knows with these things? Maybe the original agreement entitled Bruce Lee's estate to a cut of the sales, and removing his name and likeness prevents that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauder666 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Without rights issues, i’d just fill it with Synapse games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Some are saying Zorro is on there, possibly renamed, don't know if that's confirmed. But if that and Bruce Lee, perhaps there are other Datasoft titles on it? http://www.atarimania.com/pgelstsoft.awp?system=8&type=G&publisher=1177&step=50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+davidcalgary29 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I agree that Centipede is on the list as well. The remaining eight games may have some 5200 titles in there -- Space Dungeon, perhaps? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcrow Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 30 minutes ago, marauder666 said: Without rights issues, i’d just fill it with Synapse games Following the trail from Synapse Software on Wikipedia, it looks like those would now be owned by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. I don't see any reference to Atari acquiring the rights, though the rights to the 80s games is likely all a mess at this point, and the companies that own them may not know that they own them or may not know what restrictions or royalties are required. I'm often surprised by the games being released on the retro consoles like this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauder666 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 3 minutes ago, davidcalgary29 said: I agree that Centipede is on the list as well. The remaining eight games may have some 5200 titles in there -- Space Dungeon, perhaps? Should have the 5200 version of Centipede, much better than either the computer version or Millipede. Space Dungeon is awesome, but no chance, its Taito. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+davidcalgary29 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Alley Cat would be a great project for a VBXE makeover. So would any of the DataSoft releases. Their arcade ports had some of the tightest gameplay of any '80s A8 releases, and it's such a shame that games like Gyruss were so...blocky that the pixellation negatively affected gameplay. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 18 minutes ago, davidcalgary29 said: Alley Cat would be a great project for a VBXE makeover. So would any of the DataSoft releases. Their arcade ports had some of the tightest gameplay of any '80s A8 releases, and it's such a shame that games like Gyruss were so...blocky that the pixellation negatively affected gameplay. I'm thinking more of the Datasoft original titles- 221B Baker St, Mercenary, Goonies (w/ name change), Conan (w/ name change). The arcade games would also need to be licensed from Namco/Sega/Universal etc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I hope Mr Robot is on there I think BBSB is broken on the 3.1.0 core emulation, it was only fixed recently so if they don't make any improvements to the retroarch core that is unlikely to show up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+davidcalgary29 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 17 minutes ago, zzip said: I'm thinking more of the Datasoft original titles- 221B Baker St, Mercenary, Goonies (w/ name change), Conan (w/ name change). The arcade games would also need to be licensed from Namco/Sega/Universal etc Midday brain fart...I was thinking of Pooyan. PB's games are another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pseudografx Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Pete of the ThisIsPete channel has published a great overview of the games that are supposed to be included on The 400! 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stechmann Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 the Datasoft games are the ones i am hoping for. Mancopter is one of the best Datasoft games but unfortunately does not exist on the A8, only on C64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hwlngmad Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 34 minutes ago, pseudografx said: Pete of the ThisIsPete channel has published a great overview of the games that are supposed to be included on The 400! Saw that today. @pjedavison always does a great and amazing job. He also has had an extensive looks into the A8's library, as well as the ST. Anyone who is a fan of either platform needs to check out his channel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfollowell Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 7 hours ago, zzip said: If adding your own games is really a feature, then they would need BASIC because some games require it There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of commercial games that could be added that don't require BASIC. Being able to add your own games certainly doesn't require BASIC, though they may include it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 10 minutes ago, bfollowell said: Being able to add your own games certainly doesn't require BASIC, though they may include it. I saw a post on Facebook from someone on the inside saying it will have Atari BASIC. It's an emulator, after all; so, the inclusion of BASIC is, well, basic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfollowell Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 42 minutes ago, MrFish said: I saw a post on Facebook from someone on the inside saying it will have Atari BASIC. It's an emulator, after all; so, the inclusion of BASIC is, well, basic. That's a good point. Assuming a user has a keyboard, they should be in good shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspicious_milk Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I'm too lazy to search & compare ... a safe bet would be that any games included on their previous minis (c64 etc) are likely canadites for THE400 if an existing Atari version is available. I'm most curious about the "missing" 4 buttons. (Suppose to have 7 buttons, pics only show 3) Rumor says they are in the orange control ring, but how would they not be accidentally pressed all the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 19 hours ago, bfollowell said: Assuming a user has a keyboard, they should be in good shape. Depends what they want to do with it. I wouldn't expect many people to sit with one of these things and program. The likely use is for BASIC games, which may or may not require any keyboard input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam242 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/12/2024 at 3:52 PM, davidcalgary29 said: Alley Cat would be a great project for a VBXE makeover. Alley Cat VBXE would be the killer app that finally convinces me to take the VBXE plunge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeblebrox Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 5 hours ago, adam242 said: Alley Cat VBXE would be the killer app that finally convinces me to take the VBXE plunge. Would be cool. Mine would be a faithfull full colour lemmings clone VBXE style. We love the Brundles and Tommings shows us the animation of the lemmings is totally perfect. Anyway, we digress from the thread topic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/12/2024 at 5:36 PM, bfollowell said: There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of commercial games that could be added that don't require BASIC. Being able to add your own games certainly doesn't require BASIC, though they may include it. Yes, but there are always games that surprise you by requiring BASIC, like Questron. I don't see why they wouldn't include a BASIC rom for completeness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetboot Jack Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 47 minutes ago, zzip said: Yes, but there are always games that surprise you by requiring BASIC, like Questron. I don't see why they wouldn't include a BASIC rom for completeness They will include it - at least based on precedence of their other hardware like TheC64 and TheVIC20 where they have included it... sTeVE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geister Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 It depends on what they are trying to do. The original 400 did not include a basic cartridge, much to my chagrin. I had to go back to the store with more cash in hand to get "The Programmer" kit, and "The Entertainer" kit, to get Basic and Star Raiders. If they are just trying to produce a video game console, they may well not include Basic. I hope they do include it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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