Glokenpop Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Is there any improvement in Paddle support? On my system the emulation would move in chunks rather than pixel by pixel. This video shows this issue it did the same thing with my system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluxit Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, Glokenpop said: Is there any improvement in Paddle support? On my system the emulation would move in chunks rather than pixel by pixel. This video shows this issue it did the same thing with my system. I believe that what you are experiencing is video lag due to your display device. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmith14au Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Hello, I would love to test this please. I have a number of PAL games. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 3 hours ago, RevEng said: Hey John, for this one... ...Crazy Brix swaps controls via the difficulty switches. Can you please try again with joystick plugged in, and switching the first-player difficulty switch if it doesn't work? Nope, there's no unusual tech in Popeye. With some more bug reports for other homebrew carts, we will hopefully see a pattern and narrow it down. There's also the possibility that Popeye might work for someone else, if it's a dirty cart, fitment issue, edge-case timing, etc., so more reports for reported-failed carts is helpful too. I have Popeye as well. I will test it when I get back on the 4th 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glokenpop Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 28 minutes ago, fluxit said: I believe that what you are experiencing is video lag due to your display device. So on you system it moves pixel by pixel? I moved it pretty slowly and couldn't get it to do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiesan Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 I would like to test this firmware. I have several games that dont work that are on the parch notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+swlovinist Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Updated my orginal post but have been given an updated file and hombrew support is getting there! Here are my findings What is now working on this beta update: 7800 Alpha Race Armor Attack II Asteroids Deluxe Astro Blaster Astro Fighter Baby Pac Man Beef Drop Blockem Sockem(Using DragonFly Cart) B*nk Combat 1990 Crazy Brix(only working with joystick control) Crazy Otto Crystal Quest(control with CX 40 only, not working with 2 button) Donkey Kong PX Donkey Kong XM Dungeon Stalker Fail Safe Fat Axl Frenzy Froggie K.C. Munchkin Kessel Attack Klax Knight Guy in Low Res World Castle Days Lava Lamps and 8 Track Theatre Meteor Shower Missing in Action(Prototype) Moon Cresta Pac Man Collection Pac Man 40th Anniversary with XM Sound! Pac Man Jr. Pineapple Pit Fighter(Prototype) Plutos Popeye Rip Off Santa Simon Scramble Sentinel Serpentine Sirius Space Duel Space Invaders Collection Star Wars(Xevious Hack) Super Circus Atariage Super Cobra Super Pac Man T:me Salvo Tubes Venture Wasp Wizards Dungeon Worm 2600 Working Circus Convoy Tunnel Runner 7800 still not working 8 in 1 Multicarts Attack of the Petscii Robots Rikki and Vikki 2600 Not Working Omega Race(controller) Mountain King 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisKewl Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 8 hours ago, Meekimoto413 said: Burgertime, and Frogs and Flies wouldn't load up. Black screen. Failed message. Those are the only 2 carts out of 22 carts that didn't work for me. I love the 2600+ tho. Please make cable extensions for the joysticks tho! These worked perfectly for me: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B8D436J1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alissa914 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 12/28/2023 at 5:07 PM, Ben from Plaion said: Thanks to all here at Atari Age for feedback provided on the Atari 2600+. We have a beta update to the Emulation and Dumper chip ready that I've been taking about for a while on the main 2600+ AA thread. I've had lots of offers from people offering to test the update. Up until now its been tested internally with a limited amount of carts, I've sent it out to a few peers tonight who I know have got big collections. Its the breadth of cartridges out there that we internally just dont have easy access to - such a massive amount of carts with all their variations that need checking. So if anyone here on AA wants to give the update a test with their own carts please post your interest in this thread and I will send the files and instructions to you over the next few days. You will need a Windows Laptop/PC to do the update, its not the most elegant process but should be all done in a few minutes. Some details on the update; 2600 Changes Dumper: Fix for Realsports boxing Enable Circus Convoy to boot (Also requires 1.1 Emulator update) Enable CBS Ram Plus cartridge to boot - Omega Race tested (booster grip not tested), Tunnel Runner and Mountain King not tested (Also requires 1.1 Emulator update) Emulator: Change PAL colour palette to z26 PAL / NTSC cartridge auto detect to display at appropiate 50 or 60hz Reversal of Difficulty Switches 7800 Changes Dumper: Support for unknown cartridges (linear and bank switched) Removed clashing NTSC/PAL cartridge entries from known list (now handled as "unknown") Increased maximum cartridge size Increased dumper read timeout (support larger cartridges) Emulator: Fix for swapped controller buttons Pause support via Color/B&W switch (may behave inconsistently depending on cartridge) Significant updates to Pokey sound chip support Support for additional Pokey configurations (@4000, @800, @450, etc.) Yamaha YM2151 sound chip support Support for 7800 expansion module (XM) Updated palettes (contributed by Trebor @ AtariAge) Partial cartridge hash detection (compatibility with dumper) Cartridge probing for Pokey and YM sound chips (compatibility with dumper) Cartridge header database with entries from known carts Improved cartridge header support Compatibility with larger bank switched cartridges Maria double buffered line RAM support Maria background color fix Maria color kill support Maria PAL display area fix Overall improved cycle accuracy (including Maria) Added support for several new opcodes Z flag fix when in decimal mode Multiple memory map fixes RIOT interrupt mirror fix Force PAL mode controller escape sequence What our intention is with this beta update is to receive feedback on whether all of the above works with your cartridges. Development is kind of swift and we will most likely be finding elements from testing that need tweaking, highly likely we'll be releasing further builds till we are satisfied the update can lose its beta status, then we will move onto a subsequent update to address matters that still need resolving still. Thanks Ben Ben, I'd love to give this a try if I could. Not sure what you need from me but I'm more than willing to deploy this to my 2600+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisKewl Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 @Ben from Plaion bung me up a copy mate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obadiah64 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Very interested. I have a large collection original 2600 cartridges consisting from Tele-Game cartidges to M-Network with a few off brand 3rd partying carts such as Apollo and USGames. So I can test a wide range of cartridge compatibility. Also in that wide range, I have just about every Activison and Imagic cartridge produced. I also have all of the 7800 cartridges that were available in the day. I do not have any homebrew carts of any type or multicarts for either system 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lantesh Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 I would love to participate in beta testing. If you would please include me I will definitely provide feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+undefinedopcode Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 12/28/2023 at 2:07 PM, Ben from Plaion said: So if anyone here on AA wants to give the update a test with their own carts please post your interest in this thread and I will send the files and instructions to you over the next few days. You will need a Windows Laptop/PC to do the update, its not the most elegant process but should be all done in a few minutes. I have about 80 carts (including RSB, some home brews, and some 7800 titles), and am happy to test the update. I think I have a few PAL carts as well in some things that came with me from Australia to Canada (I just need to visit the closet this weekend and dig them out). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRingBearer Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 I'd be interested in testing as well, but aside from a few of the usual 2600 and 7800 carts, all I have for homebrew are the Champ Games carts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANJIMMY Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 8 hours ago, Glokenpop said: So on you system it moves pixel by pixel? I moved it pretty slowly and couldn't get it to do that. Video Olympics, Medieval Mayham, Solar Storm, Marble Craze and others run fine. BUT Super Breakout and Kaboom give you a jerky paddle on very same setup (same paddles, same TV in game mode) they jump pixels and it is no fun to play. This has been reported by many players, so the Yeti does exist 😊 I read once in a thread about acceleration settings in Stella. I would guess some fine tuning could help here? With no access to UI, a fix would need to detect games with Parkinsons desease and change the paddle settings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glokenpop Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 42 minutes ago, DEANJIMMY said: Video Olympics, Medieval Mayham, Solar Storm, Marble Craze and others run fine. BUT Super Breakout and Kaboom give you a jerky paddle on very same setup (same paddles, same TV in game mode) they jump pixels and it is no fun to play. This has been reported by many players, so the Yeti does exist 😊 I read once in a thread about acceleration settings in Stella. I would guess some fine tuning could help here? With no access to UI, a fix would need to detect games with Parkinsons desease and change the paddle settings? Thanks I was beginning to think I needed crazy pills. I only tested on Breakout and it was disappointing. If it is working well on other games that sounds fixable I just hope they are aware of it. Great that Medieval Mayham works. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShiftLock Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 35 minutes ago, Glokenpop said: Thanks I was beginning to think I needed crazy pills. I only tested on Breakout and it was disappointing. If it is working well on other games that sounds fixable I just hope they are aware of it. Great that Medieval Mayham works. You are definitely not taking your crazy pills, my platform breakout moves in chunks just like the video as well as the ball too. Furthermore every game I play through the plus has a lag involved. This affects my game play and unfortunately I find myself going back to my Junior just to be able to play the games properly. I have tried the plus on two digital TV's as well as through a CRT and the lag and chunky movement is still present each time. Yes hopefully Atari are aware of this and it can be fixed in a future update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted December 30, 2023 Author Share Posted December 30, 2023 8 hours ago, swlovinist said: Updated my orginal post but have been given an updated file and hombrew support is getting there! Here are my findings What is now working on this beta update: 7800 Alpha Race Armor Attack II Asteroids Deluxe Astro Blaster Astro Fighter Baby Pac Man Beef Drop Blockem Sockem(Using DragonFly Cart) B*nk Combat 1990 Crazy Brix(only working with joystick control) Crazy Otto Crystal Quest(control with CX 40 only, not working with 2 button) Donkey Kong PX Donkey Kong XM Dungeon Stalker Fail Safe Fat Axl Frenzy Froggie K.C. Munchkin Kessel Attack Klax Knight Guy in Low Res World Castle Days Lava Lamps and 8 Track Theatre Meteor Shower Missing in Action(Prototype) Moon Cresta Pac Man Collection Pac Man 40th Anniversary with XM Sound! Pac Man Jr. Pineapple Pit Fighter(Prototype) Plutos Popeye Rip Off Santa Simon Scramble Sentinel Serpentine Sirius Space Duel Space Invaders Collection Star Wars(Xevious Hack) Super Circus Atariage Super Cobra Super Pac Man T:me Salvo Tubes Venture Wasp Wizards Dungeon Worm 2600 Working Circus Convoy Tunnel Runner 7800 still not working 8 in 1 Multicarts Attack of the Petscii Robots Rikki and Vikki 2600 Not Working Omega Race(controller) Mountain King This is really great to hear. Thanks John for taking the time to test. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Hi Ben, yes please! Would love to help with testing this update 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gambler172 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 45 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: This is really great to hear. Thanks John for taking the time to test. well thete are still a lot of 7800 homebrewd left. Well...I have them all. And the 8 in 1 multicart works, but it depends on the games, which are put on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+sramirez2008 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 9 hours ago, swlovinist said: Updated my orginal post but have been given an updated file and hombrew support is getting there! Here are my findings What is now working on this beta update: 7800 Alpha Race Armor Attack II Asteroids Deluxe Astro Blaster Astro Fighter Baby Pac Man Beef Drop Blockem Sockem(Using DragonFly Cart) B*nk Combat 1990 Crazy Brix(only working with joystick control) Crazy Otto Crystal Quest(control with CX 40 only, not working with 2 button) Donkey Kong PX Donkey Kong XM Dungeon Stalker Fail Safe Fat Axl Frenzy Froggie K.C. Munchkin Kessel Attack Klax Knight Guy in Low Res World Castle Days Lava Lamps and 8 Track Theatre Meteor Shower Missing in Action(Prototype) Moon Cresta Pac Man Collection Pac Man 40th Anniversary with XM Sound! Pac Man Jr. Pineapple Pit Fighter(Prototype) Plutos Popeye Rip Off Santa Simon Scramble Sentinel Serpentine Sirius Space Duel Space Invaders Collection Star Wars(Xevious Hack) Super Circus Atariage Super Cobra Super Pac Man T:me Salvo Tubes Venture Wasp Wizards Dungeon Worm 2600 Working Circus Convoy Tunnel Runner 7800 still not working 8 in 1 Multicarts Attack of the Petscii Robots Rikki and Vikki 2600 Not Working Omega Race(controller) Mountain King If you have a Starplex controller, can you try 7800 Asteroids or Bobs Asteroids Deluxe with it? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkleFork Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Would love to test this update please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atariman72 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 @Ben from Plaion Will the beta be getting released to people on this forum over the remainder of this weekend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad5200 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 5 hours ago, DEANJIMMY said: Video Olympics, Medieval Mayham, Solar Storm, Marble Craze and others run fine. BUT Super Breakout and Kaboom give you a jerky paddle on very same setup (same paddles, same TV in game mode) they jump pixels and it is no fun to play. This has been reported by many players, so the Yeti does exist 😊 I read once in a thread about acceleration settings in Stella. I would guess some fine tuning could help here? With no access to UI, a fix would need to detect games with Parkinsons desease and change the paddle settings? I can confirm that same issue. The paddles in Kaboom and Super Breakout are "jerky". Same paddles. Same Game Mode TV setting. It is especially noticeable in Super Breakout. Compare the real 2600 to the 2600+ and you will see the player at the bottom moves nice and smoothly on the original 2600 (pixel by pixel), but it "jumps" two or three pixels when you move on the 2600+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dphirschler Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 If I am not too late, I would like to beta test for you. I have a small amount of homebrews that I would like to test out. Darryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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