Intellivision Amico’s trademark changed to ‘abandoned’

[jerseystyle]

4 hours ago, mr_me said:

 

 

I've never had any interest in the system.

[roots.genoa]

6 hours ago, MrBeefy said:

Don't worry there wasn't any porn in it for those who love the Tommy regurgitation.

Well, that's a bummer but thankfully a French movie about strip-tease has been released here on the same day! ☺️

 

5 hours ago, SegaSnatcher said:

I consider myself a Playstation guy

With "SEGA" in your name? That makes me kinda sad. Also it's "PlayStation". 😝

[SegaSnatcher]

3 minutes ago, roots.genoa said:

With "SEGA" in your name? That makes me kinda sad. Also it's "PlayStation". 😝

Sega is my other love, but Sony is still making consoles and I have bought every PlayStation home console since the PS1. 

Also, I can't think of a cool PlayStation user name.   

[atarifan88]

18 hours ago, mr_me said:

This whole thread is a regurgitation of itself.

 

17 hours ago, MrBeefy said:

People love to regurgitate what Tommy said to them because that's how Tommy fed them. He regurgitated his BS down their throats and they imprinted on him like the baby birds they were. Feed me more Tommy! Feed me more Intellivision! Look at me daddy bird senpai!

DON'T CRITICIZE INTELLIVISION! I LOVE THEM AND I DON'T CARE WHO THEY ATTACK AND I'M OKAY WITH IT IF IT GETS ME MY SWEET AMICO. Beep boop.

 

Hmmm, I'm sensing a theme here...

[atarifan88]

10 hours ago, SegaSnatcher said:

Perhaps not buying one, but you were interested in the progress and kinda enabled the "TomFoolery" by constantly giving Tommy and the team the benefit of the doubt even when obvious red flags were front and center.  Why give a team with no track record of releasing a console the benefit of a doubt, especially after so many lies and other questionable behavior?  

Like what does someone have to do before you say "Yeah screw this, these people have no idea what they are doing and are being completely dishonest to the community"?  

You are too kind! I would have substituted "TomFoolery" for something more accurate like "JackAssery." I think it paints a much clearer picture of that "situation." 😄

[MattPilz]

Comments from Mike this past week, one of the two known individuals outside of Intellivision with an Amico test unit.

 

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Q: Still no Amico news? What in the world is taking so long?

 

A: We're wondering that too. On the good end, they still have us piloting and haven't told us to send the system back yet. So I'm taking that as a sign they are still working on getting over to manufacturing.

 

Q: I think you have something very rare there. Might be worth a mint in the future as an example of a system that never was released to the public.

 

A: ...I see things a bit differently. Obviously, until there is an official announcement about it, I continue to keep my fingers crossed they find a way to release it to the public as it's a nice system. My kids have enjoyed helping me pilot it, and they game on everything. So it would be a shame. That said, if that happens, the worth is the time my kids and I got to spend playing on it together. Otherwise, it's isn't really worth anything more than the Xbox 360 Debug kit I still have from my days of the NLG Website.

 

I was under the impression that DJC and Mike were in continual communications with Phil/John/Intellivision as testers, with a long list of very specific things they were supposed to be testing over these past.....six....months. But their own wonderment and finger-crossing about what is taking Intellivision so long is not a sign of confidence at all.

 

It'd be nice to get a formal closure to this saga at some point. A lot of startups and Kickstarters end up in failure and do a final sign-off for their followers. Some also successfully pivot to other ventures, which I could see Intellivision managing by releasing their IPs and titles to other platforms. Although due to the magnitude of debts they've accumulated, that may get messy short of bankruptcy, liquidation and transfer of IPs to another entity.

[+GoldLeader]

1 hour ago, MattPilz said:

Comments from Mike this past week, one of the two known individuals outside of Intellivision with an Amico test unit.

 

I was under the impression that DJC and Mike were in continual communications with Phil/John/Intellivision as testers, with a long list of very specific things they were supposed to be testing over these past.....six....months. But their own wonderment and finger-crossing about what is taking Intellivision so long is not a sign of confidence at all.

 

It'd be nice to get a formal closure to this saga at some point. A lot of startups and Kickstarters end up in failure and do a final sign-off for their followers. Some also successfully pivot to other ventures, which I could see Intellivision managing by releasing their IPs and titles to other platforms. Although due to the magnitude of debts they've accumulated, that may get messy short of bankruptcy, liquidation and transfer of IPs to another entity.

 

If/When they throw in the towel;  Maybe they could license or even sell off some IPs and straight up issue REFUNDS to those who want them (which should be everybody who gave them 100 bucks;  Nowhere did it say it was a DONATION)...

[Cebus Capucinis]

They haven't told them to send them back because they can't afford return shipping to the UPS Store that's their main office. 🤣🤣🤣

[Bill Loguidice]

42 minutes ago, GoldLeader said:

 

If/When they throw in the towel;  Maybe they could license or even sell off some IPs and straight up issue REFUNDS to those who want them (which should be everybody who gave them 100 bucks;  Nowhere did it say it was a DONATION)...

I'm not expecting a penny back unless there's some kind of receivership or something and it eventually goes to a class action or something, where we would indeed get back pennies on the dollar. I'd take it at this point.

 

The idea of transfer of IPs is interesting. Obviously, the Amico name is less than worthless at this point and I'm not sure they have any viable patents or even concepts that can be recycled elsewhere. I can't imagine them owning any original IP either, but I don't know the exact relationship with the original Intellivision IP and games that were left.

[Cebus Capucinis]

I'm still stunned that these clowns unabashedly said the console could make $52 BILLION. Not Million, BILLION. Selling nearly 2x as many Amico (Amici? Amicos? Or is it a collective and thus just Amico whether singular or plural?) as the total Wii sales - LOL K.

 

(Before the beeping and booping begins from our resident Moog machine, I recognize that this was supposed to be software and hardware, but doesn't make it less ludicrous.)

 

Anyone who saw that sales pitch should have immediately backed out. Either they rounded wrong, in which case they're complete morons, or they're liars...

 

 

... history has shown they're both!

[Matt_B]

It's not like any of their other numbers added up, either. The only scenario in which anyone got any money out was if they sold to a bigger fool.

 

I used to think that there might be something to salvage on the software front, but it would seem that most of that was just reskinned ports and games that never really got past the demo stage.

[Rowsdower70]

4 hours ago, MattPilz said:

 

 

I was under the impression that DJC and Mike were in continual communications with Phil/John/Intellivision as testers, with a long list of very specific things they were supposed to be testing over these past.....six....months. But their own wonderment and finger-crossing about what is taking Intellivision so long is not a sign of confidence at all.

 

 

If I were a wagering man, I'd bet that neither one of them have spoken to anyone outside of Alvarado in many months. 

[MrBeefy]

21 hours ago, SegaSnatcher said:

Sure, but I still think its in bad form when any size group of a very passionate crowd try to defend/downplay questionable behavior from a person/company just because they like that person or the product they are involved with.  

This is another fabrication that people weren't directed to AtariAge. Tommy publicly bragged about having the biggest thread with people excited and positive about Amico.

 

That's why he probably had a private meltdown to Al because one of his talking points to point potential buyers/investors got locked without his say so.

 

It is why he never created his own forum. He needed a turnkey place to make him look legit and have a user base built in. Tommy no longer had a place to astroturf and say "look at all these gamers who love us". I can only imagine the meltdown PM that Al had to read from the loon. Not enough Tylenol in the world to deal with a Tallarico Migraine.

 

He entirely used AA to promote. The person who says they  aren't interested seems to get offended if you make fun of the company. He also approves of attacking those who didn't join the Amico cult. Notice he never spoke out about the regurgitation in Tommy's thread. 😘

 

Beep boop.

 

For a good time watch this.

 

Tommy was so desperate in this video.

[Flojomojo]

On 4/3/2023 at 3:26 PM, mr_me said:

It would be easy for the software to tell which way you're holding the controller by just the accelerometer forces alone on the backswing.

That accelerometer had problems. He did this more than once, and it seemed to be broken more frequently than it worked correctly. 

 

59 minutes ago, MrBeefy said:

For a good time watch this.

 

Tommy was so desperate in this video.

That was very funny! They did well to wait until everything was over before unloading with both barrels. I agree with Ian that whatever investors were lined up had already left the building, leaving Tallarico to desperately claw back every thread of credibility he could muster. 

 

Did he really think they would COME TO HIS HOUSE so he could MAKE SOME PASTA for them? And that he would somehow charm them into believing his ludicrous sales pitch?

 

I guess it worked on this guy. Too bad for Tommy there weren't more lonely guys with Gamestonk money to waste. Smash JT claims to have put $10,000 on Amico and defended it vigorously until pretty recently. 

 

 

 

[MrBeefy]

1 hour ago, Flojomojo said:

That accelerometer had problems. He did this more than once, and it seemed to be broken more frequently than it worked correctly. 

 

That was very funny! They did well to wait until everything was over before unloading with both barrels. I agree with Ian that whatever investors were lined up had already left the building, leaving Tallarico to desperately claw back every thread of credibility he could muster. 

 

Did he really think they would COME TO HIS HOUSE so he could MAKE SOME PASTA for them? And that he would somehow charm them into believing his ludicrous sales pitch?

 

I guess it worked on this guy. Too bad for Tommy there weren't more lonely guys with Gamestonk money to waste. Smash JT claims to have put $10,000 on Amico and defended it vigorously until pretty recently. 

That controller always had problems. Tommy was always doing the Amico shuffle with it trying to get it to get the orientation to be recognized. The motion controls sucking is why they had to redo Cornhole. Can you imagine having a motion control pack in game that you had to use a phone to play?

 

That video by Tommy was a manipulation tactic to get weak minded morons to attack Pat and Ian. If you watched Tommy's thread, it worked here on AA, and on the YTers he picked up on the way.

 

It was a public video. It may have been unlisted, but he posted it everywhere. He just wanted to make it seem like it was private and that he was being reasonable. As I noted here years ago Tommy shot first. 

 

Pat and Ian didn't say anything unreasonable, and Tommy crapped his pants over it. His obsession with Pat and Ian over their perfectly reasonable comments were a giant red flag. I'm surprised as to how many people didn't want to see that.

[mr_me]

8 hours ago, Bill Loguidice said:

I'm not expecting a penny back unless there's some kind of receivership or something and it eventually goes to a class action or something, where we would indeed get back pennies on the dollar. I'd take it at this point.

 

The idea of transfer of IPs is interesting. Obviously, the Amico name is less than worthless at this point and I'm not sure they have any viable patents or even concepts that can be recycled elsewhere. I can't imagine them owning any original IP either, but I don't know the exact relationship with the original Intellivision IP and games that were left.

They should own the Amico games they produced depending on the terms with the developer e.g. Skiing, Farkle, Cornhole, Shark Shark, Astrosmash, Biplanes, Tank Battle, Moon Patrol, Blank Slate, Side Swipers, Missile Command, Breakout.  Not sure about Back Talk Party, Cloudy Mountain, or Amico Night Stalker.  They have all the classic Intellivision games and trademarks acquired from Intellivision Productions. That should also include some Atari 2600 games.

 

Edit:  And a few of those require third party licensing for graphics, audio, trademarks.  The program code however should still be their copyright IP.

 

8 hours ago, Cebus Capucinis said:

I'm still stunned that these clowns unabashedly said the console could make $52 BILLION. Not Million, BILLION. Selling nearly 2x as many Amico (Amici? Amicos? Or is it a collective and thus just Amico whether singular or plural?) as the total Wii sales - LOL K.

 

(Before the beeping and booping begins from our resident Moog machine, I recognize that this was supposed to be software and hardware, but doesn't make it less ludicrous.)

 

Anyone who saw that sales pitch should have immediately backed out. Either they rounded wrong, in which case they're complete morons, or they're liars...

 

 

... history has shown they're both!

What sales pitch is that?  The Republic page had a projection of around $250M, likely limited to when Republic revenue shares might expire.  There's that leaked company overview that had projected sales of around one billion dollars.

 

The Startengine page mentions a serviceable addressable market of $56 billion.  Maybe that's where the number comes from but that's very different than a sales projection.

 

 

4 hours ago, Flojomojo said:

That accelerometer had problems. He did this more than once, and it seemed to be broken more frequently than it worked correctly. 

Any accelerometer would have trouble telling which way is up.  It can only measure forces relative to itself.  The gyroscope lets it know when it's being rotated but it's also relative to itself, it needs to be given a reference.  A magnetometer can give it some reference.  In that video, the controller orientation could be locked, as it should be.

 

The case of the swing in Cornhole is completely different, the controller only needs motion data relative to itself.  If the accelerometer x force is larger than the z force, it's moving on its edge.  If the z force is large than the x it's moving perpendicular to its face.

 

 

Edited April 7, 2023 by mr_me

[SegaSnatcher]

8 hours ago, Cebus Capucinis said:

(Before the beeping and booping begins from our resident Moog machine, I recognize that this was supposed to be software and hardware, but doesn't make it less ludicrous.)

Oh, so that is why I've been listening to Kraftwerk lately.  I was wondering what motivated that. 
 

 

 

 

 

[roots.genoa]

3 hours ago, MrBeefy said:

the Amico shuffle

Do you think it could have caught on like the Atari handshake? - oh wait.

 

1 hour ago, SegaSnatcher said:

Oh, so that is why I've been listening to Kraftwerk lately.  I was wondering what motivated that. 

Me as well, but the 1991 version.

[MrBeefy]

5 hours ago, SegaSnatcher said:

Oh, so that is why I've been listening to Kraftwerk lately.  I was wondering what motivated that. 

DID YOU HEAR IT IN THE SONG!?!? THEY SAID INTELLIVISION HAS THEIR FCC CERTS!

 

WE ARE SAVED AND AMICO WILL BE OUT ANY DAY NOW!

 

BEEP BOOP.

[atarifan88]

14 hours ago, Cebus Capucinis said:

(Before the beeping and booping begins from our resident Moog machine, I recognize that this was supposed to be software and hardware, but doesn't make it less ludicrous.)

 

14 hours ago, Cebus Capucinis said:

Anyone who saw that sales pitch should have immediately backed out. Either they rounded wrong, in which case they're complete morons, or they're liars...

 

 

... history has shown they're both!

[mr_me]

14 hours ago, Flojomojo said:

That accelerometer had problems. He did this more than once, and it seemed to be broken more frequently than it worked correctly. 

Actually an accelerometer should detect gravitational direction.  So either the controller is locked as likely in that video or the controller processors are focused on something else like gameplay.  But that's software not hardware.  A controller rotation feature is really only needed when the game is paused.

Edited April 7, 2023 by mr_me

[Tommy2D]

1 hour ago, mr_me said:

Actually an accelerometer should detect gravitational direction.  So either the controller is locked as likely in that video or the controller processors are focused on something else like gameplay.  But that's software not hardware.  A controller rotation feature is really only needed when the game is paused.

I'm pretty sure that hardware plays a role in screen orientation... The Android developer guide seems to agree. (https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/sensors/sensors_position#:~:text=The system computes the orientation,about the -z axis).) 

 

The system computes the orientation angles by using a device's geomagnetic field sensor in combination with the device's accelerometer. Using these two hardware sensors, the system provides data for the following three orientation angles: Azimuth (degrees of rotation about the -z axis).

Edited April 7, 2023 by Tommy2D

[MrBeefy]

1 hour ago, Tommy2D said:

I'm pretty sure that hardware plays a role in screen orientation... The Android developer guide seems to agree. (https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/sensors/sensors_position#:~:text=The system computes the orientation,about the -z axis).) 

 

The system computes the orientation angles by using a device's geomagnetic field sensor in combination with the device's accelerometer. Using these two hardware sensors, the system provides data for the following three orientation angles: Azimuth (degrees of rotation about the -z axis).

I would once again ask, if there was decent sustained footage that showed these controllers functioning?

 

Controllers often dropped connection and didn't orientated correctly.

 

The Finnigan Fox video where Tommy, "left the controller the wrong way to troll" was an example of this. Tommy claimed he left it intentionally. I heard that it possibly had less to do with that, than a firmware issue where it wouldn't allow it.

 

They were totally flying by the seat of their pants. They had no clue what they were doing, and that controller is just one of the many pieces of evidence that show that.

 

That controller just needed to register it was moving somehow some way to throw. Didn't matter the speed, angle, or rotation. It had a speed set in the unboxing footage, so it seemed like the "throw" was basically a button push that just was like pressing launch.

[MattPilz]

2 hours ago, MrBeefy said:

The Finnigan Fox video where Tommy, "left the controller the wrong way to troll" was an example of this. Tommy claimed he left it intentionally.

A reoccurring theme to excuse errors as trolling and inside jokes. Same with spelling Cornhole wrong in that trailer, once pointed out he said it was left in deliberately as a joke to see who would notice. Had he still been active during the unboxing video I imagine he'd insist the typo of their own URL was an easter egg of some sort or just added intentionally to troll the detractors. 😵

[MrBeefy]

26 minutes ago, MattPilz said:

A reoccurring theme to excuse errors as trolling and inside jokes. Same with spelling Cornhole wrong in that trailer, once pointed out he said it was left in deliberately as a joke to see who would notice. Had he still been active during the unboxing video I imagine he'd insist the typo of their own URL was an easter egg of some sort or just added intentionally to troll the detractors. 😵

Remember when he and his cultists shit themselves and said it was a penis joke when I pointed out they were using the wrong spelling of 'peek' in an official company video?