John Stamos Mullet Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Thran said: My 7800 would roll the screen on Robot Tank until I took out capacitor c64 to disable the timing circuit. I wonder if the emulator is trying to run it in 7800 mode instead of 2600 mode. Nope. The "Kludge" circuit with c64 was used to make the 2600 version of Dark Chambers compatible on the 7800, but broke Robot Tank and Space Shuttle in the process. But when they would roll, you would see the full composed start screen of each game. Game data was being read from the correct bank, but the timing circuit effected the scanlines count/horizontal hold. With he 2600+ the emulator is reading from the wrong bank, which is why you see the wrong graphics and it rolls. I loaded the alternate version of Robot Tank that is F8 instead of FE on my HArmony wiht the updated banking files, and it works just fine. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5362167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripled79 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 My Enduro cart wouldn't work. Has anyone had success with this game on 2600+? Surprisingly, Kung Fu Master worked on the 2600+ but not on my Retron77. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5362646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LS650 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 I believe that every NTSC Activision cart runs except Robot Tank (and Pitfall II). Enduro runs just fine on my Plus. Clean, clean, clean the contacts. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5362693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 1 hour ago, ls650 said: I believe that every NTSC Activision cart runs except Robot Tank. Enduro runs just fine on my Plus. Clean, clean, clean the contacts. Pitfall II doesn’t either. (Obviously) 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5362740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn7 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, tripled79 said: My Enduro cart wouldn't work. Has anyone had success with this game on 2600+? Surprisingly, Kung Fu Master worked on the 2600+ but not on my Retron77. Yes, my Enduro cart works as well on the 2600+. Edited December 8, 2023 by Aragorn7 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5362773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted December 8, 2023 Author Share Posted December 8, 2023 11 hours ago, ls650 said: I believe that every NTSC Activision cart runs except Robot Tank (and Pitfall II). Enduro runs just fine on my Plus. Clean, clean, clean the contacts. Ok, so in this case... I wasn't mistaken when my Robot Tank cart wasn't working? It's actually an incompatibility issue? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5362880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn7 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 43 minutes ago, 82-T/A said: Ok, so in this case... I wasn't mistaken when my Robot Tank cart wasn't working? It's actually an incompatibility issue? Yes, Atari will have to tweak the emulator through a firmware update. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5362904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted December 8, 2023 Author Share Posted December 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Aragorn7 said: Yes, Atari will have to tweak the emulator through a firmware update. There's a similar thread going on right now in the Game Station Pro section of AtariAge. A new update just came out... and while it leverages the MicroSD card slot... I suspect the update process will largely be similar (except from a USB-C). I think they both use the same emulator? Or am I wrong here? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5362907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
etschuetz Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 5:25 PM, Jstick said: Works fine here. Are you pushing “0” on the keypad within 3 seconds of connecting to the adapter? This is required to detect the keypad in autodetect mode. EDIT: This is assuming you are using a 2600daptor D9 adapter No, not that particular cart. The one I am using is actually designed for Genesis controllers to plug to PC via USB. Nothing to special with it. However, I am not intrigued with the holding "0". However, this still doesn't help with the Atari 2600+ regarding emulation...unless you meant that it works on it as well. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5362919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn7 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 1 hour ago, 82-T/A said: There's a similar thread going on right now in the Game Station Pro section of AtariAge. A new update just came out... and while it leverages the MicroSD card slot... I suspect the update process will largely be similar (except from a USB-C). I think they both use the same emulator? Or am I wrong here? I'm unclear on what emulators the Gamestation Pro is actually using as it is emulating not only 2600/5200/7800 game titles but also Sega & NES. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5362949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Thag Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 For those who haven't seen this, we've identified that Coleco carts with a later, 'rev 3' board style in this thread are not currently working, hence a lot of the confusion with coleco games working for some folks and not for others. So far, no coleco cart with that style board seems to be working (I've tested four in my collection). Ben from Plaion is now aware of the issue. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5362959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcinJ Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 My Ms. Pac Man for Atari 7800 is loading in a weird way. It reacts to Reset Switch, I can hear sounds, but the screen is garbled. I have cleaned contacts already two times. Is this 2600+ or my cartridge? IMG_2384.mov Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5363140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradyblix Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) 58 minutes ago, MarcinJ said: My Ms. Pac Man for Atari 7800 is loading in a weird way. It reacts to Reset Switch, I can hear sounds, but the screen is garbled. I have cleaned contacts already two times. Is this 2600+ or my cartridge? IMG_2384.mov I do have a working ntsc copy of Ms Pac-Man for 7800 in case that helps. I know that currently there are issues with some carts on pal 7800 where they don't load right but sometimes you just need to reinsert the cart. several times. that's worth trying. Edited December 8, 2023 by tradyblix Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5363179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LS650 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 1 hour ago, MarcinJ said: My Ms. Pac Man for Atari 7800 is loading in a weird way. Ms Pacman NTSC for 7800 runs fine on my Plus. I suspect you are in Europe and have a PAL cart. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5363185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Karnov Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 1 hour ago, MarcinJ said: My Ms. Pac Man for Atari 7800 is loading in a weird way. It reacts to Reset Switch, I can hear sounds, but the screen is garbled. I have cleaned contacts already two times. Is this 2600+ or my cartridge? IMG_2384.mov I have the exact same issue with my PAL cart of Ms Pacman 7800 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5363222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcinJ Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 7 hours ago, Dr Karnov said: I have the exact same issue with my PAL cart of Ms Pacman 7800 Good to know. Hopefully it will be solved with the upcoming update. I really would like to play this one. Browsing EBay I see that now 7800 carts are rare in Europe and rather expensive. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5363423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perceval70 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 I've been unable to get Tac Scan to run. It starts up and looks good but I can't seem to start a game. It runs off of the Paddles plugged into the right controller port. Game loads but then doesn't respond to any input. Can anyone else confirm this? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5363910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad5200 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, Perceval70 said: I've been unable to get Tac Scan to run. It starts up and looks good but I can't seem to start a game. It runs off of the Paddles plugged into the right controller port. Game loads but then doesn't respond to any input. Can anyone else confirm this? Confirmed. Exact same problem here with my Tac-Scan. Game loads but will not play. My guess is the emulator needs to be told to use the paddles in the RIGHT port but is not happening. Also, the game manual claims that it's OK to have the Joystick remain plugged into the LEFT port and should not interfere. I have tried loading the game on the 2600+ with and without Joystick in LEFT port just to see if that made any difference, also tried paddles in both the LEFT and RIGHT port upon power on... but no luck. Manual for reference: @Ben from Plaion please note this issue. Probably an easy fix. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5363927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn7 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 39 minutes ago, Perceval70 said: I've been unable to get Tac Scan to run. It starts up and looks good but I can't seem to start a game. It runs off of the Paddles plugged into the right controller port. Game loads but then doesn't respond to any input. Can anyone else confirm this? Yes. I, too, just checked and can confirm this as well. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5363932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveM Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Perceval70 said: I've been unable to get Tac Scan to run. It starts up and looks good but I can't seem to start a game. It runs off of the Paddles plugged into the right controller port. Game loads but then doesn't respond to any input. Can anyone else confirm this? Same here. That's the problem that brought me to this thread. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5363971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboss Gegguz Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 I just feel like I should mention that using the modified arms batari put out I was able to get both Pac-Man 8k and DK-VCS to run perfectly on the 2600+ Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5363982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Warlord Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Received my pre-order from Atari.com yesterday. I love it so far and hope the firmware updates come soon. I pulled out a bunch of carts today and started testing. I had a Sears Telegames 6 switcher also set up to test any carts that didn't work on the 2600+. I don't have a 7800 out at the moment and since they are homebrews I didn't expect them to work with the factory firmware. I'm using a OLED television with any filtering turned off to reduce possible lag. 7800 games I tried that didn't work: KC Munchkin Astro Blaster Bob Decrescenzo Collection There were 2 games that wouldn't work on the 2600+ or the Original unit. I vaguely remember this might be an issue with my Telegames model, so need to find a different unit to test these on. The Byte before Christmas Stay Frosty 2 Games that did not work on the 2600+ but did on original hardware, I think most of these are already known. Robotwar Load Runner Evil Magician II Millipede Track Ball (the garbled screen shot is below) (TB not tested as known to not work currently) The Pursuit of the Pink Panther Games that required cleaning to work on both units: King Kong Stone Age Games that worked on original hardware but needed cleaning to work on the 2600+ Laser Volley Lost Luggage H.E.R.O. (didn't see any issues that others have reported) Scuba Diver Atlantis - Cromax Imagic (Brazilian multi cart) Pac-Man / River Raid / Pitfall / Space Invaders Games that worked: 10 in 1 cartridge (I also tested these new carts on the Telegames with the new controllers, and they all worked) 4 in 1 paddle games Berzerk Enhanced (I still can't figure out what the robot says when I die?) Mr. Run and Jump A roach in Space Hunger Shark Joust Journey Escape (Had the distorted sound that others have reported) Jr Pac Man Jungle Hunt Kaboom! Kabul! Kamikaze Saucers Kangaroo Karate (This one was very finicky on how the cart had to be seated) Keystone Kapers Krull Kung-Fu Master Kung Fu Superkicks Laser Blast Laser Gates London Blitz M.A.D. Mash Mario Bros Master Builder Math Gran Prix Maze Maze Craze Maze Mania Rocket Pod Star Wars Arcade Track Ball Edition (TB not tested as known to not work currently) Flappy Omincron Pinata Tank Brigade Worm War I Galaxian Arcade Atari Video Cube Freeway Pengo Dare Diver Math Dishaster Jawbraker Wall Ball Dice Puzzle Marble Craze Laser Gates Name this Game Star Wars the Arcade Game Crazy Climber BMX Air Master Mr. Do! Bobby is going home Road Duel This somewhat random selection of games comes out to a compatibility ratio of 90% on the 2600 side. I'll keep plugging away 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5364356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vidalrick Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 7:20 PM, tripled79 said: My Enduro cart wouldn't work. Has anyone had success with this game on 2600+? Surprisingly, Kung Fu Master worked on the 2600+ but not on my Retron77. I got one on eBay that didn’t work at first but after cleaning it with alcohol wipes it works without failure. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5364483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LS650 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 5 hours ago, Atari_Warlord said: Berzerk Enhanced (I still can't figure out what the robot says when I die?) If you wipe out all robots in a room: "Humanoid must not escape." If you get killed, "Got the intruder, got the chicken." (I think) If you leave a room with a robot still alive, ??? really not sure. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5364539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Warlord Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Day two of testing. I should have mentioned in the first post that all games are NTSC unless indicated otherwise. Games that didn't work on the 2600+, but did on original hardware: Dragon's Descent (Screen was Garbled) Wizard of Wor (Champ Games) Tyre Trax Galagon Aardvark (Screen was Garbled) RS Boxing Revenge of the Beefsteak Tomatoes Games that kind of worked but seemed to have issues on 2600+: Landfill - Seemed to play fine, but did not hear any sounds X3V0lux - The label indicated it worked with joysticks or paddles but neither option would work Zaxxon - The sound had a lot of static. Not sure if this is the way it was originally as my Telegames unit had the same sound Games that required cleaning to work on the 2600+: Riddle of the Sphinx Tutankham Word Zapper Games that worked but were finicky on how to insert the cart on both units. The only method that worked was to gently press in on the right side and then push the cart down from right to left. Pressure Cooker Private Eye Games that worked. Again I didn't test the trackball mode since it currently doesn't work. Missile Command TB Reactor TB Nexar TB Missile Control TB Space Master X-7 TB Monster Ball The Shaman Goblin Chaser Alien Adventures Failboat Gyvolver Amoeba Jump Popeye Porky's Pressure Gauge Q-bert Qb Quest Quick Step Race (Didn't test driving controllers as I think they currently don't work on the 2600+) Racquetball Radar Lock Raft Rider Raiders of the Lost Ark Rampage Reactor RealSports Baseball RealSports Football RealSports Soccer RealSports Tennis RealSports Volleyball (If they do a compilation of these games, should update the rules to the current ones) River Raid River Raid II Road Runner Ms. Galactopus Bomb on Pixel City Balloon Trip Centipede TB Colony 7 TB Sheep it Up Plaque Attack TB Three-5 Game Panic Immortal Edition Dee Snider's Strangeland Space Chase - Monogrammed Trick Shot Tunnel Runner Turmoil Vanguard Venture Venture II Video Checkers Video Chess Video Olympics Video Pinball Video Simon Video Time Machine Wabbit Wall Ball Warlords Warplock Warring Worms Winter Games Wizard of Wor (remember to use the right joystick) Worm War I Xenophobe Yahtzee Yars' Revenge 3 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/357759-the-2600-game-compatability-thread/page/2/#findComment-5364772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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